[3.82 fixable to 3.83 Only] Community Mod BAC: Smith, Cooking, Survival and more

[GrimmSpector]

So nice to see you still in the community Brygun! I want to try the new Beta but I don't want to lose BAC! I'll have to wait until someone is able to update it.

[Stankman]

Hi all! Great work on this!

Is there any word of if this works (or if there is development towards) support of v3.83?

Thanks!

[Jussi]

Most of it still works. The only conflict I've seen so far is that the new hafting menu (H) key is now overlapping with the BAC mod's Hide and Bone menu key, but that can be quite easily fixed by modifying the menudef_BAC.txt file yourself.

And - of course - the built-in hafting functionality now overlaps with the mod's toolmaking in general. The BAC's approach for tool building it a bit more complex than UrW's mechanic, so I think BAC should need to be simplified a bit or remove hafting from BAC altogether and let UrW handle it for you.

Also, BAC's axe heads and hafts are probably not compatible with UrW's built-in counterparts, so you can't use a BAC-made axe head and attach a haft using UrW's hafting functionality.

[masataka90]

Bone arrowheads are not being detected.

Steps I made:
Made bone arrowhead from + >> Arrows >> 5) Bone Arrowhead.
Got 1 arrowhead and 7 inferior arrowheads
Made shafts.
Got 3 inf and 2 decent.
Tried to make arrows by + >> Arrows >> Arrow
No arrowheads in the list.

[JP_Finn]

The make arrow recipe looks for vanilla arrowheads that are in the weapons category.
BAC arrowheads go in the Tools category.

It’s something that we, as the community need to think of: if we want to keep duplicate fletching options or convert BAC recipes to follow vanilla fletching. Some recipes from BAC would be lost, so there’s the downside.

[masataka90]

The make arrow recipe looks for vanilla arrowheads that are in the weapons category.
BAC arrowheads go in the Tools category.

It’s something that we, as the community need to think of: if we want to keep duplicate fletching options or convert BAC recipes to follow vanilla fletching. Some recipes from BAC would be lost, so there’s the downside.

I'm not seeing any arrowheads in the Toolmaking category.

[JP_Finn]

Not tool making. In inventory, under Tools.
You could try to press Tab, then T (for Tools category), then select the arrowhead. Depending what the base item is on the BAC arrowhead recipe, it might work. Might not.

[masataka90]

Getting reindeer backstrap from a skinned carcass doesn't work in 3.83.

Tried this on a big forest reindeer stag carcass (skinned).

[Hello Birdy]

Most of it still works. The only conflict I've seen so far is that the new hafting menu (H) key is now overlapping with the BAC mod's Hide and Bone menu key, but that can be quite easily fixed by modifying the menudef_BAC.txt file yourself.

And - of course - the built-in hafting functionality now overlaps with the mod's toolmaking in general. The BAC's approach for tool building it a bit more complex than UrW's mechanic, so I think BAC should need to be simplified a bit or remove hafting from BAC altogether and let UrW handle it for you.

Also, BAC's axe heads and hafts are probably not compatible with UrW's built-in counterparts, so you can't use a BAC-made axe head and attach a haft using UrW's hafting functionality.

Yes, easily fixed you say... and then proceed not to tell anyone how to do it.

[Plotinus]

add a // at the beginning of the relevant line in the menudef_BAC.txt where you see

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.Hide and Bone.     -H- *MAKE* . It will look like

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// .Hide and Bone.   -H- *MAKE*. This will comment that lien out.

or change the -H- to a different letter, for example a menu you don't really use, for example F. Then comment the other line with that letter out by adding a // at the start.

[Namu]

.Half log.랑 .Quarter log.의 "Base item"이 "Log"로 되어있더라고.

그러면 서로를 무한히 복제할 수 있는 문제가 있어. 예를 들어 log를 쪼개 half log를 2개 만들면 log를 소모하는데, 만들어진 2개의 half log도 log니까.

난 일단 Base item을 "Arrow shaft"로 두고 하고 있어.

[stormwolf442]

Bringing up the crafting menu for Hide and Bone seems to only allow me to haft and unhaft my weapons and tools, I assume it's because of the newest update?

[JP_Finn]

Bringing up the crafting menu for Hide and Bone seems to only allow me to haft and unhaft my weapons and tools, I assume it's because of the newest update?

Correct. menudef_BAC.txt has to be amended: .Hide and Bone. -H- *MAKE* won’t be read as the Hafting is hardcoded to use -H-instead. You can change the .Hide and Bone. -Y- *MAKE* or any other available letter. I don’t have BAC installed on the newest release (easier to separate bugs&glitches). So can’t verify what letters are unused.

[Brygun]

Remember the BAC was last updated to 3.82. The 3.83 fix is discussed above. 3.84 will break it more.

I use a personal rule that if i'm not playing a game I'm not modding it. Currently I'm not. The item creation list of 3.83 and 3.84 was already covered by BAC and really by precussor mods going back years. The shift to pausable item creation is overall a good thing but what I would actually do isn't changing... so not really an incentive to return to play.

BAC is a community mod with a take over clause thus if someone wants to do an update if the caretaker (often but not always me) isn't around then someone can. So if someone wants to take on 3.84 updates they can and should start a new thread for it.

Things large mods like BAC really need are one of these solutions:

A= A new keyboard menu for "modded crafting" where it opens a craft menu that the dev >NEVER< puts vanilla items into
B= Tiered menus where you can swap around the 26ish letters so load between vanilla and mods
C= Co-ordinating the existing mods for submenus like what was broken when "hafting" H collided with the H of a mod.

Without one of those each update will further break large mods like BAC and I don't really plan on chasing updates on a game I'm not currently playing.

[Brygun]

Please show support for the suggestion thread for the above at:

https://www.unrealworld.fi/forums/index.php?topic=7264.msg23129