Thats fine Bert Preast, its only natural to draw parallels to something local, but those parallels are not correct and I'll try to explain the situation. Its pretty complex, so please bear with me.
Ukraine has not adopted Spanish method with Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. That statement is grossly incorrect so lets break it down. Firstly, lets take Crimea. Its native population is not either russian, nor Ukrainian, its Crimean Tatars or Qyrymli as they call themselves. They are a unique, turkic speaking peoples that live on the peninsula for a millennia and have a very interesting geneses, including Greek, Italian, Kipchak, proto-Slavic and various turkic ethnicities. Like I said, these guys go back into the mists of time, but one thing of note that is relevant is their Giray dynasty. You can read more on this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_KhanateTo keep this relatively short, Ill just say that Girays were owners of what is now russia. Their tsars paid them yearly taxes, provided conscripts when asked and in short, russian tsardom was a vassal of Giray's Crimea as early beginning of 18th century. After collapse of remnants of Golden Horde's legacy, Peter 1 (also known as the blood-drinker by others and "great" by russians) was able to defeat them and from then onward, Qyrymli peoples were under constant genocide efforts of different magnitude, culminating in deportation of their full nation from their home and ancestral lands all over the Red Empire. Under the theat of death, they were forbidden to come back home. Only after Ukraine became an independent state, what was left of Qyrymli peoples came back home. You can read more on this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_TatarsAfter the deportation, regular russians were imported in Qyrymli's (and other undesirable's) houses and we ended up having the situation where "most of the people speak Russian, vote Russian, and are Orthodox Christians". and even then, they never really voted russian. In Crimea, a few pro-russian political parties did exist, but they never got anything more than a few % points during all recorded history. Here is an example of that from 2012. The article is quite old and available only in orcish, but you can google translate it into English if you'd like to read it.
https://daily.rbc.ua/rus/show/vybory-2012-v-krymu-minimum-shansov-dazhe-dlya-prorossiyskih-17102012131000The 1995 incident you mention below is very interesting indeed. Meshkov's attempted coup was just one of many attempts by orcish FSB to take control of the peninsula using political or/or other means. Here is another interesting case you might want to read and I can think of plenty more smaller, but similar cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Tuzla_Island_conflictAnyway, long story short, if anyone has any moral rights to Crimea, its Qyrymli's people. Every major city,even mountain and every river has a name in their language, they know that land and they have no other home. Crimea was theirs for centuries before orcs came and will it be theirs again, after orcs are gone and forgotten. Today however, their population is tragically small and even if they wanted, they can not (and could not, prior to 2014) form a state. Practically from day one of Ukraine's independence, they are represented in Ukrainian parliament, have their cultural and ethnic rights protected and have been one of the strongest opposition of orcish invasion politically and after 2014, military. If in future, their numbers grow to the point of them being able to form and maintain a state, while I do not speak for Ukraine, me personally, and many many other Ukrainians would support them in that.
Donbass and broadly speaking Eastern parts of Ukraine are very different from Crimea in many aspects, although some things are the same. Even today, if one is to travel outside of major cities into the countryside, the claim that they speak orcish becomes clearly wrong. At worst, they speak this "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk", and in many cases, you'll hear decent Ukrainian in most of the villages/smaller cities. The reason for that is twofold. First is long standing and systemic suppression of Ukrainian language by the orcs. You can read more on this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Ukrainian_language_suppressionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_UkraineSecond is the hunger of 1932-33. You can read more on this here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HolodomorWhile wiki is not being decisive on this topic, I have relatives who lived through this and at least to me, the situation is clear that this was indeed yet another genocide, but putting that aside, one of the results of that atrocity was major depopulation of Eastern Ukraine and just like with Crimea, re-population of that land with ethnic orcs pretty much right after the hunger ended. Those Ukrainians that were able to get away or survived, were deported and forbidden to come back to their homes and those that tried, were mostly sent to Siberia for life. Around late 1960's the ban was lifted and a lot of eastern Ukrainians were able to come back home, but many werent or didnt. Thus, Eastern Ukraine where "most of the people speak Russian, vote Russian, and are Orthodox Christians" were created. Over time, majority of imported orcs assimilated culturally, but due to suppression of Ukrainian language, large cities retained orcish as their main form of communication. Smaller cities, where re-population happened slower but naturally, didnt and does not have that problem.
So as you can see, the parallel with Catalonia and Spain does not work for either Crimea, nor Eastern Ukraine.
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Now, lets address that orc's comment: yes, I am in Canada and by the looks of it, will be here for next couple of months yet. My recovery is taking longer than expected, but the doc is saying that probably my shoulder should be mostly (there is a decent chance of full recovery) operational by late Autumn. I am not a citizen of Ukraine, so I am free to come and go, so after I got a piece of shrapnel in me, I went back to Canada to take care of that - I did pay my taxes, and plenty of them, in Canada for many years, so might as well get some use out of that money. Rest assured though, once I am healed up, I am going back to my unit and hopefully we'll make plenty more very good russians. If however my injury will prevent me from actively participating in extermination of the invading orcs, I still can be useful by going back to what I was doing from 2014 - providing support and supplied to those who can. You really should've stayed far, far away from us, we will kill every single one of your invading bastards.
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