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[Bert Preast]

It's not a full scale invasion.  Russia could be carpet bombing your cities, but it isn't.  It's a civil war, and Russia is intervening.  Check the OCSE figures for the number of shells Ukrainian militias were lobbing at the separatists if you want to know why.  Sometimes a thousand a day, in the run up to the war. 

Since the invasion, the Ukrainian forces have been steadfast, and have done very well.  I don't understand the reluctance to call up young men, but I do understand that if you are defending then older men are your better bet.  Your drone forces have equaled those of Russia, and it seems that drones are what matter most these days.

Partisan activity in the areas controlled by Russia is low because it's very dangerous.  It's very dangerous because most of the people there don't want it to happen.  Because they want to be independent, or Russian.

Had you been a Serb in the 1990's, I've no doubt you'd have rolled the tanks into Croatia.  Yugoslavia must be maintained!  But it didn't work out that way, and the people in the Balkans are probably the better for it.  Guard your lands, but accept that sometimes you have to let something go.



 



     

[Dark Art]

You severely overestimate their abilities and resources Bert Preast. In 2022, all of their advances were mechanized, fully supported from air and preceded with a wall of fire (prolonged artillery  shelling). Today, they attack using so called "meat waves", essentially only boots, with very limited or no armour support, no air support and wall of fire is a thing of the past. They are not either immortal nor their resources are limitless and we are clearly seeing it. While they did have huge stockpiles of USSR weapons and vehicles, those are virtually gone and while their ability to produce new stuff is not minimal, but again - rather limited. One thing they have in overabundance is meat and just like every other war in history the orcs participated, they try to drown us in their own blood.

They've tried using massive air raids during first months of the war, but after they lost a cartload of planes and pilots, they limited its use to long range bombing: mostly glide bombs from what was a very safe distance (and now that is finally changing), but even with using their limited, antiquated bomber fleets bombing us from a distance, they regularly keep losing planes that they have absolutely no way of replacing. To properly illustrate the point consider this - since collapse of URRR, they have not been able to produce ONE fully operational aircraft. Not a one. Be it a military one, or a civilian craft. They cant even reproduce AN-2 plane that first took to the skies in 1947. I think they managed to create one decent heli (need to check), but no planes, at least not to my knowledge. Keeping that in mind, do you really think that their air fleet is as large and scary as they claim? No, its not. Far from it. So to answer your initial statement about carpet bombing - they would've if they could've. But they simply cant. Oh and very recently quite a few of their flyers got all tangled up in a spiderweb They cant replace those planes too.

Again, no Bert Preast, this is not a civil war. In 2014, the war was triggered by their agents, with their weapons, under their flags. And the only thing that prevented Ukraine from re-establishing peace in 2015 was direct intervention of regular orcish troops that turned the tide of Debaltseve battle and forced us to fall back. Ever since then, it was us vs them, with poor civilians stuck in the middle of this. Overall, this is a very typical colonial war for them and a war of independence for us. I am not even sure how you can use this old propaganda prop after 2022, but oh well. You are of course entitled to your opinion.

"Partisan activity in the areas controlled by Russia is low because it's very dangerous" Indeed it is. Personally, given the nature of this war, I am not even sure what a partisan can do, aside from laser painting a target or passing on intelligence. And given the ever present surveillance drones, even that would be a major risk. But like I said, I dont think we can realistically say that the activity is either high or low. We simply dont know that.

We can exchange our opinions on Yugoslavia, but I am not sure how productive that will be. Balkans have been a boiling, roiling pot of explosive hate for almost 500 years, so I wouldnt even know where to start with that. That being said, after Tito's death, I think it was pretty damn clear to anyone that Yugoslavia will explode and disintegrate, but then again, hindsight is always 100%, eh? So I'd better say nothing. One this I WILL say though - I think that if ocrs stayed away from that region, the bloodshed might have never even started. Its just a maybe, but considering how much pain and suffering that war caused (and still causing) its one heavy maybe.

[Bert Preast]

Oh come on, I'm sure you know as well as I do that Russia is holding back from using conscripts and strategic airpower.  Their "meat-wave" attacks are actually fire-teams of 4 blokes infiltrating, because any large formations are getting zapped by drones.  War is changing, and it seems for the better as casualties are fewer.  I still hate the idea of drones hunting down individual riflemen though, maybe I am old-fashioned but it doesn't sit well with me, no matter which side is doing it.

If they are trying to drown you in blood, how is it you didn't have enough bodies to exchange the other day?  You are slipping under the surface much faster than they are.  It's over, pack it in and make terms before you really annoy them.  You've done well and made your point, what can you possibly hope to gain now, if not dragging us all into world war III?

It is a civil war, with foreign intervention on both sides.  I can't grasp why you won't admit this.

Yugoslavia was doomed with the death of Tito due to old hatreds, yes.  But war could have been avoided, had the Serbs let the separatists go.  But they didn't.  And in the end, they went though a whole lot of pain for nothing.  See?

[Dark Art]

No Bert Preast, you are badly misinformed. Orcs regularly use their strategic bombers to lob missiles at our cities and that is the main reason why their destruction was so widely celebrated in Ukraine. Every single one of those flyers destroyed = less civilian infra destroyed, less civilians dead and less misery all around.

Huilo tried to use mass conscripts in Autumn of 2022, only to have over 2 mils of his own potential cannon fodder flee the country in about three months. After that, he said that conscripting is over and they started recruiting mercenaries from all over the world and dishing out a rather large sums of money to potential killers. Moreover, they emptied prisons, labour camps and began very aggressive recruiting campaign internally. So the bottom line would be again "they would've if they could've", but last attempt at mass conscripting showed it will simply not work well and while it will produce some conscripts, it will deplete their labour force within 6-8 months to the point of their economy not being able to support itself. Even without mass conscripting, their labour force is struggling badly and a LOT of blue collar jobs are left unmanned simply because those who used to do them either died off due to old age or ditched it and signed up to be a mercenary.

Again, you are misinformed. Meat waves were re-invented in Bakhmut by Prigozhin and orcs have been using this tactic ever since. Yes, they use smaller groups due to drones, but those groups go forward pretty much non-stop and can not, I repeat, they CAN NOT go back. If they do, they are either shot by other orcs on the spot or given over to military police to be (sometimes publicly) tortured and humiliated before being sent ahead again. That is why we have a lot of POWs who quite deliberately abandoned their groups/posts and surrendered to UGF solders. As far as I know, there are so damn many of those, we even have formed at least 3 full fledged battalions out of those guys and they are kicking some serious ass as they got a very personal bone to pick with the rest of the orcish army. A lot more are refusing to be exchanged and choosing to wait it out as a POW, rather than be exchanged and be sent into another mean wave and become fertilizer.

I am not sure what you are talking about when you say "didn't have enough bodies to exchange the other day?". If you are referring to that comedy Medinksiy performed, well... It was just that - comedy and a bad one at that. No exchange of bodies were arranged and you cant do these things overnight even if you really, really want to. As far as I know, we never bother collecting dead orcs, as there just too many of them and since every single official offer to exchange the fallen was declined, no one ever saw a point in it. In early stages of the invasion, some localized exchanges did happen, but since late 2023, they stopped doing even that. At least as far as I know.

And again, no. This is not a civil war. This war is not remotely resembling a civil war now and never really did in the past. This war was initiated by orcs in Crimea by their regular troops, then they tried to start things all over the east and failed in every place except Donetsk and Luhansk. Their agitators were quite literally all over and quite a few of them were arrested or shot'n'killed in action in 2014. But even that didnt get them very far and the unrest was simmering down until they sent over Girkin with a group of terrorists who started to publicly kill people resisting their takeover of Slovyansk and its burbs. Ukraine was still in heavy turmoil after orc's invasion of Crimea and since no one really wanted a war with orcs, our parliament and its speaker (our then prez fled to russia already) government tried to do what they can to de-escalate the situation and talk to Huilo. Orcs werent interested in talks though, they were interested in taking over so they kept sending armed terrorists and only after we saw a large influx of mechanized armed orcs cross the border in the area of Khrustalnyi town, an anti-terrorist operation was announced. Thus, the war began. At first it was mostly orcish covert operations, sporadically flaring up into localized battles, but as Huilo finally realized that he and his orcs can not, under no circumstances regain control over Ukraine politically, he stared his full scale invasion in 2022.

Despite my best efforts, you are still not understanding whats at stake here. So i'll try once again (probably in vain, but I'll try) and call it a day. Bert Preast, as far as I know and as far as our family memory goes back. every single generation either fought against the orcs or were forced into military service by them to fight their wars for them against some people who did us nothing wrong. We had enough of this and we will not give in to their demands, not this time, not ever. Not again. The idea of them getting "really annoyed" would be downright funny, if it wouldnt be so damn sad. Thus far, they lost over 1 million in casualties (dead and wounded to the point of not being fit for service), most of their tanks, about half of their military air force (not the total number of everything have, counting only planes that were actually in "ready to fly" condition), thier oil industry is being under constant attack causing them stupendous economic losses and their Crimean fleet is either sunk or hiding in Novorossiysk and not participating in any action out of fear of being sunk. Friend, they are not just "really annoyed", they are badly hurt, bleeding and howl for our blood, destruction of out cities, death of resisting males and "re-education" of our children. They deny us our very existence and consider us defective russians that must be either fixed or exterminated. Given all that, ask yourself how much of a f*ck do we give about WW3, WW4 or WW1025. To us, its do or die already. Ask yourself at what point we'd stop after they blew up our Kakhovka Dam and killed in cold blood with floodwaters tens of thousands in their homes. Better question would be is ask yourself what we will NOT do if we are pushed against a wall and become really, truly desperate. Again - we will either resist and most of us will live, or give in and be exterminated as a nation and ethnic group. So in the end it boils down to this: help us if you can, fight us if you dare, or get out of the way. We will not surrender. You will either understand me, or you will not, but I tire of this conversation and have little interest in continuing it. Sapienti sat.

[Bert Preast]

I agree, not much point in continued engagement if you still deny that it's a civil war.

[Steel_tear]

And still 0 answers for my questions... they are simple.

p.s. if Russians are orcs, then Ukrainians are goblins? When it's one folk

[Steel_tear]

If Russians are the most Ukrainophobic nation. Why do we have millions of Ukrainians in our country since 2022...