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Title: "The Challenge"
Post by: nekot on November 02, 2017, 12:40:47 PM
"The Challenge" is simple:

Survive one winter!


...under rules and terms listed below:

1) Character creation
-Random culture
-Do not re-roll your stats, go with first generated ones
-Improve any skills you like

2) Map generation
-You are lost, do not look where you start, it has to be random. Best you can do is close your eyes and press "r" for random starting location and then "e" for start.

3) Scenario and game course
-Hurt, helpless, and afraid (and naked, explained later)
-The UnReal World

4) Start
-As I said, you are naked, take all clothes off ("T" then "+" then press space)
-You have nothing with you, drop all items on ground ("d" then "+" then press space)
-Destroy all ("D" and keep confirming discard with Enter button until all is gone)
-Yes, you are naked and have nothing apart of will to survive (and few wounds to heal)

5) Rules
-Do not zoom out with Enter, do not even peek, you are lost, remember? Travel only on zoomed in map
-Do not use big map "F6"
-You can peek on a peak (you can use Enter to take a look around only when standing on top of the mountain but you cannot walk on zoomed out map), you can ignore this rule, but personally I think it's fair to take a look from top of mountain.
-If you get to village by any luck, you can start to travel on zoomed out map
-Survive whole winter
-Have fun!

"The Challenge" is doable, I've done well few times but died of my stupidity in half way through like:
-chased big game and get drown under broken ice
-frozen to death as were not enough lucky to get fire started, should have think about fire earlier
-attacked sleeping Njerpez and get killed - what a nightmare!! ;)

Now I've got new char but it's carving for water and I cannot fine any.
I could give you few tips but I don't want to spoil your experience.

Please post below your stories if you ever dare to try "The Challenge".

- do not use mods, you can have them, just don't use them during first winter.

(also edited point4.2 to clearly state that you start with nothing at all)
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: LoLotov on November 02, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
We need more of these...
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: caius on November 02, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
We need more of these...

I agree.  But...

Please post below your stories if you ever dare to try "The Challenge".

These stories should go in the Stories forum.  Possibly with Silenia's "Poems of the Fallen" as appropriate.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Kiena on November 03, 2017, 12:28:57 AM
Oh, this is fun!  Difficult, but fun.  What killed me in my first run (3 days) was actually lack of water - I landed in a coniferous forest, and never found anything but that, spruce mires, and heathland.  The heathland kept me alive for a little while - I found lingonberries - but they weren't enough to stave off dehydration (or starvation!), and once they ran out, it was over.  I didn't realize how hard it is to find water if you're only in a zoomed in map.  Right before I died, I zoomed out to see what was around, just for curiousity's sake, and there was a lake one tile over from where I started.  Ah, if only I had gone east instead of south!  There was nothing near where I died, though, not even an open mire.  (How I wish I could have collected snow!  Though that would have killed me from hypothermia, I suppose, since I wouldn't have anything to melt it in.)

Gonna give it another try!  Already learned some nice tricks.

Actually, question - do you get to keep your knife?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: nekot on November 03, 2017, 01:29:19 AM
Actually, question - do you get to keep your knife?

Just for you - Poem hint:

Keeping your knife - too easy to play.
My answer is "No", and this what I say:

No items at all, but take a look around.
Many of them just lying on the ground.

Can't you see? They'll change your life
hit one with other to get...

Spoiler: show
Stone knife

Please post below your stories if you ever dare to try "The Challenge".

These stories should go in the Stories forum.  Possibly with Silenia's "Poems of the Fallen" as appropriate.

At least post links to them.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: LoLotov on November 03, 2017, 03:05:10 AM
The lengthy story of trying should go in stories, but the challenge itself belongs here, as do any other challenges people can think of...
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Kiena on November 03, 2017, 05:42:07 AM
*facepalm*  I knew about the axe, but not the knife.  That would have made my run much easier!!  Thank you so much.

Had a second try, this one went much, much better.  A couple of well-placed mountains got me to a set of villages, where I lucked out in getting a simple "gather branches" quest.  I traded the reward for a fishing pole, and since the village was very close to the sea, I trekked there every day to get food and slowly build up more trading items in exchange for cooked fish.  Alas, I wasn't fast enough to get clothing, and froze to death on day 23, on my way to the sea.  Just after trading for a proper knife, too.  (Though I suppose next time that won't be such a priority, thanks to your hint.)  I have to prioritize clothing sooner, I guess, on my third try!
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on November 04, 2017, 03:57:21 PM
When you peek on a peak, at the top of the map, it says something like:

"Ugly front"

No man's land
North of Koivula

Should I pretend I don't see that and continue in my chosen direction (or react to only things I can see on the map like a lake to the east) or can I head south to Koivula?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: nekot on November 04, 2017, 06:04:53 PM
It's up to you.
I personally ignore that and do not read it. I just look on map itself and then decide where I go (like another mountain or anything that feeds character story).
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: DfDevadander on November 05, 2017, 02:24:08 AM
Just so you know: I gave this challenge a go, and posted my results in the Stories forum, where I've started a thread for people to post their stories after trying the challenge :)
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: JEB Davis on November 05, 2017, 04:50:14 PM
2) Map generation
-You are lost, do not look where you start, it has to be random. Best you can do is close your eyes and press "w" for random starting location and then "e" for start.
A minor note... should be "r" for random
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: nekot on November 05, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
 :o Thanks, will edit now.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on November 06, 2017, 10:47:49 AM
It's up to you.
I personally ignore that and do not read it. I just look on map itself and then decide where I go (like another mountain or anything that feeds character story).
I can't really help reading it but I don't act on the information. I pick a rule like "go mostly south, but if i run into a tree, then go east to go around it" and then stick to that. If I notice that I'm just east of a cultural region when i zoom out then I act like my character doesn't know and still go moustly south with a little east even if I know it's taking me nowhere.

Some strategy thoughts:
Spoiler: show
South is the optimal direction by the way. Most of the rivers go mostly east-west. The only north-south ones are the ones between kaumo and reemi, so you're more likely to run into a river by going in a north-south direction. Since the "can stay zoomed out" condition is finding a village, it's easier to find a village in the south because you might find a field or a pasture and then you can do a search around that area until you find the village. In the north where there isn't agriculture then you could pass a single tile away from a village and never know it.

On the other hand, there are a lot more mountains in the north so you are more likely to be able to peek and find a village that way. On the third hand there aren't as many lakes in the north and very few rivers (except the one in kuikka territory). There are also fewer mires so you won't find as many berries or enough water to drink unless you were lucky enough to start within walking distance of the sea.

Pay attention to the way the ground slopes. If it is sloping down a lot it may be heading towards water. sloping up may be heading towards a mountain. Each tile type has its own natural elevation -- if you're in a heathland and the gruond is sloping up there is a lichenous pine forest (or better: hill, mountain) in that direction. if it's sloping down then likely a coniferous forest.

the elevations go:
water < open mire < pine mire < spruce mire < coniferous forest < heathland, field < lichenous pine forest < hill < mountain

i'm not sure exactly where settlement, bushes, grove, thicket, pasture, road go, but i think settlement is the same as heathland and the others are like spruce mire or coniferous forest. (you can tell by standing on one while zoomed out and noticing which tile types act as boundaries to your sight. if you can't see past them, they are the same level or higher).

And usually the slopes are gradual so mountains will be near hills and heathland will be surrrounded by coniferous forest which is surrounded by spruce mire.

Cloudberries and to a much lesser extent cranberries are worth your time. lingonberries are not worth your time. Cloudberries and cranberries are found in spruce mire, pine mire, open mire. Don't eat them to stave off hunger, you can survive a couple months without food and hopefully you will find a village by then. eat them to prevent dehydration. the game will give you a few warnings before you die of thirst so you can wait until the warnings start. Keep them for emergencies because you may yet find a lake if you keep going.

Light a fire whenever you're cool. If you're by a lake, walk around a little to see if there's a big tree trunk nearby. if so, drag it to the lake and push it onto the ice then pull it back onto land. it might fall through making a hole, saving you some work and giving you information about whether the ice is safe to walk on. Stay at the fire until you're sweaty because literal sweat isn't implemented yet, or stay until you're hot if you want realism. if when you walk away from the fire you are chilly again 20 steps later, make a club and do some fishing until it's warm enough to safely leave the fire.

A 3x3 square of burnt ashes with you resting in the middle is as good as a big tree trunk fire and only requires 9-27 branches or spruce twigs. (you need fewer if you light the fires near some trees and let the trees catch fire, too)

Drop a small pile of spruce twigs whenever you meet a lake, some lakes are shaped so that you can accidentally wind up going in circles around them forever. if you come across the spruce twig pile, you know this has happened to you and can start searching for a way out (travelling at night with a torch can help you spot a way you haven't explored yet that may lead to the way out.

I did try going west for a challenge (and it turned out i started near owl tribe). survived almost 2 months, then froze to death because the fire I was trying to light wouldn't light. I was south of sartola, having never been in a cultural region in the entire time. My current character is going south.

Do cliffs count as peaks for zooming out or only mountains?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: koteko on February 19, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
I'm tempted to try this out :D seems very challenging! (heh)
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: caethan on February 20, 2018, 07:35:03 PM
I've been trying this out and found a very useful tip that I may have to try during normal gameplay:  using torches to carry fire with you as you travel.  Lighting a fire with a torch never fails.  When it's raining and you're very cold, the six times you fail at firestarting without a torch might kill you.  Or at the very least, give you a frostbite.  I started keeping a stash of 4-6 torches and a dozen branches, with one lit while I traveled.  If I got cold, I'd find a log, drop a few branches on, and start it immediately.  Then while I warmed up, I'd cut down more branches and build up my torch stock.  Worked very well in tree-heavy terrain.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: koteko on February 20, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
But still the torches will burn down - do you make sure to always have one lighted torch on? I never noticed a feedback like "the torch will burn down soon" but arguably, I don't use them often..
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Privateer on February 20, 2018, 07:58:31 PM
I'm 0/1 on this challenge, injuries to hands prevented making stone tools, found water on day 3 but had no means to break ice. Fell through ice to get a drink and froze to death..
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: caethan on February 20, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
But still the torches will burn down - do you make sure to always have one lighted torch on? I never noticed a feedback like "the torch will burn down soon" but arguably, I don't use them often..

Yeah, you get messages about 30 minutes before the torch burns out, so I just always kept a torch on. 
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Míriel on April 07, 2018, 10:24:25 PM
    Hi everyone, I've been trying The Challenge for a few days and I liked it very much. I was very lucky in my random character, only a little less than what I usually play with, she could walk at 6 km/h which is very good for me since I like to run big game to exhaustion also, the initial wounds weren't serious and I could make tools right away, even better, I started by a river so cleaning wounds and running big game against the not yet frozen river provided me with clothes fairly soon.
    What I really liked was that since I couldn't zoom out except in hills and such I had to memorize my surroundings and the location of my traps and shelters which is a very realistic challenge, and that I noticed I could play a whole life without meeting anyone and I would be fine, I wouldn't have clothes or tools above rough and crude quality but I could make a living (a very important realization since I couldn't find a single village in 120 days), also I used traps in large scale for the first time and it was exciting to find animals trapped in them and wonder if I could make them more efficient.
    In the end that was my undoing, a lynx was roaming around my traps to take the birds in it so I baited a big deadfall trap I made for a previous lynx doing the same and the next day it was caught I moved in to kill it with blunt blows and it clawed me into unconsciousness and death  :(, next time I'm going to stone them to death.   
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: SkullArrows on June 30, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
The Challenge is fucking insane, I did six runs recently.

First four attempts ended up dead due to thirst. Fifth time, I can't remember how I died. Sixth time, sixth time I lasted sixteen glorious weeks with only a leather cap on my head, dozens and dozens of bird traps that only yielded about one carcass every three days, drinking water from swamp puddles, and running from campfire to campfire trying to ease some heat into a human popsicle.

Eventually, it was just a death through attrition, as this swamp was just too wide with not enough game to sustain life. Not enough energy to do harder tasks as starvation sapped the strength and willpower even as an elk showed up during the last few days of life. A gamble to be patient and wait for smaller game that may never show up or risk using that last bit of energy to set a trap for an animal that may just have been passing through and already was long gone.

It has been my proudest and most memorable game yet.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Lurcolm1 on June 30, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Fuck it. Imma try this.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Jakob on August 27, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
I like this challenge but some things become really tedious, picking berries and walking through spruce forests, for example. Would it be within the limits of the challenge to fast travel via the wilderness map if closing your eyes?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Dr.Hossa on January 06, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
Dug this out...

This is f***ing hard. im gonna die. winter month is starting in a few days, and i dont have anything but a crude javelin, berries,a stone knife, a crude staff, and crude club and some torches. they really help 

Really a completely different playstyle. I dont know if its really doable, if you arent getting really really lucky straight at the beginning.
You could also say that its a different game like this. And you learn a lot, even if you have been playing this for a long time...
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Zed McJack on January 07, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
I used to start every game like this, but the last try with new 3.61 version seemed harder. Dont know is it just a feel or some of the mechanics changed?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Tom H on January 08, 2020, 10:52:51 PM
Trying it out for the 1st time. Random tribe is Drik, which means I have almost no skills at all. I managed to get ONE skill up to 50% with a creation point- SWORD...lol.

Threw rocks at a hare and some birds, all to no avail. A stone knife allows for fire and branches, and three found slender trees permit me to make a shelter, which takes me SIX HOURS to complete...bah! I just de-construct and carry the spruce twigs and the slender tree trunks with me when I leave.

Fed on lingonberries, 'sweet' berries, and 'nice' grass for 3 days. Even when I eat my fill of berries I'm told it leaves me unable to quench thirst, which was at least not yet fatal.  Found a lake on day 4. The area immediately taunted me with a doe and fawn. Didn't even try because I can't be away from fire long enough to chase them. I did brain a squirrel that wandered near. One cut and a ragged fur.

Even Neanderthals dressed better than me...
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Dr.Hossa on January 09, 2020, 12:11:12 AM
I think it is very interesting to try this. I made quite some valuable experiences...

I find it highly important to mention the lessons i have learned in that "stone age" approach. You definitely will be trained in some aspects of survival and basic way of ingame-life and surely will adapt your playstyle in general after that. Many of those lessons are kind of "obvious", but one tends to ignore these little rules now and then, because the game doesnt punish you enough for it, when you have gathered some wealth. I mean, THATS real - realism...

For example, sleeping at night and being awake at day is kind of important/favorable in urw. But here, it is vital to (at least try) to stick to the circadian rhythm, simply because you just cannot afford losing the berry-gathering time... you lose more resource when you are doing stuff at night, because its colder and you have to stop more often to make a fire... not to speak of the darkness. You will learn that pretty quickly. So, if you happen be be vigorous at night, best you can do is light a fire and sit down to craft some tools/torches/tan a hide...

Name: UgaUga
I thought that name would be appropriate for a guy probably mainly using stone tools...

UgaUga cannot fight very well, but isnt particular bad in any weapon skill also. the best one is club, with 53 %. Uga likes club, club smashes things.
He has good acgriculture and cooking skill(which will help tothing in the start), but the other adventure skills are quite crappy, at about 20-30 %. That is were i put all 5 points in.
He is not bad at swimming and climbing, at least climbing can be useful sometimes. but i think i will not risk that most of the time with 45%...
And he is slow. 4 km/h-slow. Means that even with a little encumbrance he is on 3 km/h... 25% penalty so to speak...

And yet he still managed to run down a deer XD

Report of events will follow shortly
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Dr.Hossa on January 09, 2020, 01:50:15 AM

By the way, unsurprisingly UgaUga is from Sartola. But the description of the stats say everything.

I started in a hillariously big open mire/pine mire region. I think i spawned somewhere outside Owl tribe territory, i have to admit that i didnt close my eyes.
But i've never opened the minimap after starting and actually i cant remember now if i am north, or west, or northwest of the settlements...

Anyway, my stupid aproach is not finding a settlement, but trying to make a living in that cozy swamp...  :o
At least until beginning of dead month, i am well fed and got a almost complete(if torn and ragged) fur clothing...
But neither i have any food reserves, nor some way of permanent shelter to survive the winter.

Ok lets get started.
If i didnt get lucky with my stats, i am happy with the injuries. Just some bruises and punktures, one serious one in the shoulder, but no bleeding and i can walk.
And i can use my hands...!

"Fascinating" berries are quite everywhere in that mire, so first thing i do is pick as many as i can. Doesnt make sense to try making distance with 1 km/h.
The first two or three days, i am just gathering berries, tearing branches from trees with bare hands(while i sit near the fire – dont waste time...)
I cant clean my wounds, because i cant break ice without tools.
But cleaning has a risk of getting the wound to bleed anyway.
As i will learn later, you can (try) to stop bleeding with bare hands, which i didnt know before.

Nevertheless, i try to proceed south while berry-picking.
My walking speed climbs up to 2 km/h the third or fourth day, so i want to find a forest for stones.
Grouse and capercallie are commonly seen, but theres no way for me to catch one.

So i proceed until i finally get to the forest edge.
First thing i do, is searching two stones, make a knife. No time to waste.
I gotta cut those small trees asap.

Next, make a shelter. yeah, took long, be sure you pause the process before your nutrition gets low
As i managed to keep like 30-60 berries in my inventory, i can actually stay on scarce/temperate.
Next step, a staff. That one is quite important. It has the same damage as a club, but better bonuses, so that critical hit on the animal's head can make the difference when its unconcious.

when i have spare time (when i am cold, so i cant leave the camp, and its dark) i make more stone knives for thwrowing. I dont know if they do make sense, but i somehow feel they would perfom better than just a rock.

One thing, i guess is worth mentioning, is that i am constantly keep the wood-sprits pleased with one berry-sacrifice/day.
So, the next days i make trips on various locations of the swamp, where i am accumulating more berries, for having more time to craft stuff.
Returning to the camp just when its raining/snowing, otherwise cut a small tree and sleep by the berries outside.

Berry count rises to roughly 100, my nutrition starts to become good.
So i spend one day making two crude javelins at my shelter.
Injuries are healing well, i can walk with 3 km/h, run at 7.

On the next or overnext berry-trip, i get lucky.
A small reindeer doe with her calf is crossing my path!
I constantly have done my sacrifice, and the spirits understood, that birds wont help me. I am well fed, vigorous and ready, and it is early morning.
I do NOT drop anything, because the encumbrance penalty already kicks in at 6 or 7 lmbs, and doesnt change till 60 lmbs. Therefore i run around with almost all my stuff, just to be ready for everything.

The chase doesnt seem to go well at the beginning. I manage to get both slightly fatigued, but then i lose the track.
I find it again, but mixed with old tracks...

But after a while, can distinct old tracksm from fresh, catching up. I focus on the calf because it should exhaust sooner.
And one thing I have learned in that game comes to my mind: Dont be greedy, or you are going to lose it all. I can almost hear the spririts whisper that into my thoughts, as i stalk after the animals. 
As it seems, i was able to seperate them, and they try to join each other. i exploit that, by not going straight at them, but walking in a way that i am keeping in between.

I am getting awarded for my patience, with the mother doe running on pond-terrain and getting stuck on a swamp peninsula. I dont chase her right on, but make sure she cannot get to her calf, which is observing the situation from further away. The doe is becoming breathless, i close in. First, some knives, then a javelin from point blank-range.
Perhaps i could have killed her in melee only to preserve the hide, but i dont know if i would have been able to catch up, because still i am very slow. So i make absolutely sure my first hunt will be successfull.
The doe drops, i wield the staff and kill her.

I am tanning it right on the killing site. Of course, the spirits get some meat, although i only got 22 cuts from of the deer.

At my shelter, prepare the second-last step of rinsing in a small pond, while i search and pull a log to my camp and craft a club.
I am a very proud owner of 9 f***ing lmbs of rough forest reindeer-fur...

I am able to make an almost complete(but of course torn!) set of clothing:
First, fur leggings.
Then i craft the shirt, selecting the 3 remaining lmbs of fur and take the rest of the leggings.
Then i sew the mittens from the leggings, as they are overlapping anyway with the boots.
I make boots from the shirt... and the hood out of the boots... 8)

Call me Rag-Man, but i feel great
This is is actually stone-age-feeling...

Two weeks in, (mid of dead month)
I am gonna die.


Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Rhaikh on April 03, 2020, 10:28:47 PM
I tried this challenge twice, and I think I'm giving up.

First try I had severe arm injuries, but I managed to pull through.  Caught some birds and even actively hunted one down, but eventually I ran out of berries to pick within freezing distance of my traps and I was forced to make a second camp.  Despite nearly a dozen traps my luck ran out and I died simultaneously starving, freezing and being ready to drop.

My second try I realized the only way to make it past treading water in this way was to actually take down a game animal.  I tread water for a bit until I was relatively satiated, then I ran around until I found an elk.  I guess my character's speed was too low to really catch up with the elk.  I managed to get close enough for a few plausible javelin throws but they all missed, and being hopelessly lost from my camp and freezing I let the cold take me.

I'm convinced that the only way to win this challenge is with an abundance of luck & time... Too many avenues for subsistence are closed due to the lack of cord.  If I missed some obvious solution, please nudge me back to it

I'm going to try my own variant:  The same hurt & naked start in winter.  You can zoom out, but you're required to be hostile to all people - so no settlement help.  I think the zooming out is enough of a benefit to actually have a chance at active hunting
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Tinker on April 04, 2020, 11:24:35 AM
I find this a very interesting way to play, and difficult, I can see why some people might give up after a couple of tries.

My first attempt caused a dilemma I started with a masterwork knife and several pieces of clothing that were masterwork, I was very tempted not to discard them all. My injuries were quite bad, lots of small cuts and bruises and a deep wound on my hip, I role played this by not climbing, running or even walking to far without resting. Just to my north there was a hill which would give me a chance to get some bearings, to the north were mountains and everywhere else was thick forest.

Water was going to be my problem, I needed to find some fast. I headed south as that seemed more downhill, I collected several sorts of berries and other plants as I went and some rocks and fallen branches. Around midday I stopped to rest my hip, lit a fire and ate some of the berries that I recognised. The berries filled my stomach and decreased some of my thirst but I was sure I could not live on berries all winter. I eventually found my way around a steep cliff, through a narrow gap in the trees, there was an ideal spot to spend the night, it looked as if should have a pond but it did not.

At the bottom of the cliff there was a trunk, nearby were several trees to collect more firewood from. I decided to rest there for the night, I dropped all my goods in a pile, pushed some branches onto the trunk, that might keep me warm all night. While waiting for night to fall I could make myself a stone knife, examine the plants I had collected and collect some branches to keep the fire going.

At this point RL got in the way and I had to do other things for an hour or so, when I got back I decided to save the game until the next day. When I loaded the game again I was back at the place where I had started, not at my camp, all my goods were probably at the campsite, including my food. It was however evening, I was cold and hungry and all the plants near me had been picked. I tried to find my camp but died before I got there.

My second attempt went better, I lasted almost a week but died of a stupid mistake. I had found some water after travelling a few Km, I set some traps, collected firewood and started building a shelter. This was where my stupid mistake came in, rather than light a fire to keep warm while working I persisted in building the shelter until I was to cold and weak to light a fire.

I now play this using BAC mod as there is more choice of actions while not being easier, you can spend most of the day making birch shoes which do very little to keep you warm.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Rhaikh on April 06, 2020, 02:47:26 AM
I'm convinced that the only way to win this challenge is with an abundance of luck & time... Too many avenues for subsistence are closed due to the lack of cord.  If I missed some obvious solution, please nudge me back to it

Okay, I've got some advice for my past self to get over the first couple weeks:

- Start by finding cloudberries & water.  This is essentially impossible without cloudberries, I think, which means if you randomize your way into the wrong region you're doomed from the start.  I tried living off cranberries ...
- You can allow yourself to starve a bit to give yourself time to do other important things (firewood, setting traps)
- Learn how cords work now and don't use more than you need!  Cut off a length, otherwise, you'll waste the remainder
- Only a few (about 4, 1.0lb) bird leathers are needed to make a 15 ft length of cord
- Primitive bow & arrows are feasible with a single length of cord

Once I got bow & arrows, I finally took down an elk, but several choices made it easier:
- Chose culture (Reemi) & allowed some reroll.  I think this is justifiable, the random start could eventually get you what you want anyway, just takes the endless death out of the loop
- Used overland map, definitely a large benefit for active hunting.  Maybe someday I'll try it without the map.

And I limited myself further with: No help from villages (If you make it to a village in the normal "challenge" you've pretty much won anyway).  Makes for a nice story too: you got beat up, stripped naked and exiled

You still need luck heavily on your side, especially with the weather.  Since you are living so close to starvation, a cold spell at the wrong moment can mean doom
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: jonottawa on April 08, 2020, 03:56:15 PM
I think it would be more fun to have a community character with a challenging start (maybe ditch the hurt, helpless and afraid start and just do the Unreal World start but without any items or clothing?) that we could each play separately and report on how we fared. The only rule would be no do-overs (you get one shot, no going back to old saves.) And disclose all mods (preferably people would play with no mods so we'd have a level playing field, but disclosure at a minimum.)

If Sami likes the idea, maybe he could pick the character?
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: kaumostardust on April 19, 2020, 01:25:50 AM
Or share the save file. Then everyone can control the character for a month.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Privateer on April 19, 2020, 02:03:40 AM
Or share the save file. Then everyone can control the character for a month.

 There is/used to be some community characters that were passed from hand to hand after some months of game time passed.

… I think I recall most of them dyeing a couple year back. One or two may still survive or been restarted.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Edico on August 19, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
Curious if anyone has tried this with the new fire mechanics... Seems much harder
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: 甜汤 on August 22, 2020, 07:54:32 AM
It's really simple, it only requires high fishing skills. Even if it starts with a serious injury, you can live by fishing. This is boring, because when you are satisfied to survive, the so-called challenge only takes time to accumulate. If you are unlucky, you are doomed to die. If you are lucky, it is not too challenging. Since there is no clothes, there are two solutions to the problem of keeping warm. To steal clothes in the village, you need to be lucky to reach the village. After solving the warmth problem, you have more time to find places to fish to meet your food needs. The second solution is constant fire, which wastes a lot of time, requires high fishing skills, and is lucky to find waters where you can fish.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Tinker on August 22, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
I assume from your post that you have not tried the challenge, or you got a really lucky start.

It is difficult to fish, even with high skill, without tools. In a dozen or so starts I never had high fishing skills and only once did I find any water within two days, and that seemed to have no fish.

Stealing clothes from a village would help with warmth but I have never found a village in any of my starts.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Privateer on August 22, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
 Yup died again yesterday
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 23, 2020, 09:28:29 PM
Beginning of Dead Month

Day 1 67% injured, unable to stand.

Destroyed my items, decided to head west and veer south around trees. I set myself to stealth mode to train my stealth up while travelling. I am in a spruce mire, so i gather some rocks and some cloudberries, one of the only berries that are worth gathering at this time of year for thirst (you can stay abundant on them if you gather enough). lingonberries normally wouldn't be worth it because they take a long time to gather and don't provide much liquid in exchange, but because i'm gathering fatigue by crawling around, I do gather them when my fatigue is over 10% because i need to waste time anyway to defatigue myself. I also gather one of each kind of unknown mushroom so that I can practice identifying them. Whenever I get cool, I look for a tree trunk and light it, then stay by it until I'm warm again, gathering branches, making a stone knife, making torches. I pay attention to the terrain, when I reach a lichenous pine forest, i abandon the southwest direction to go in a circle around the edge of the lichenous pine forest and am rewarded by finding a hill, which i also go around the edge of, but no mountains this time. This won't always pay off but it will more often than not. I resume the southwest heading. When evening hits, I keep going, looking for a fallen tree trunk, then light it on fire and eat some lingonberries so my stomach will be full and I can sleep the full night long instead of waking up from hunger every few hours.

Day 2 62% injured, unable to stand.

I continue southwest. My method of carefully exploring near lichenous pine forests pays off and I reach a mountain. I peek on the peak and discover I'm near north eastern Sartola. Since I can't use the F6 map I don't know in which direction I'm near it but I'm going to keep heading southwest. However, I can see another mountain two tiles north of me, so I'm going to zoom back in and check out that first, because I'd really like to find some water and I can't see any from here, even though it's late morning, so this is as good as the visibility is going to get. I don't see any water from the other mountain either, so back south to the first and then continuing southwest. Found another mountain. If I go northwest one tile and then straight north I1ll hit a small lake. I'll stay there tonight and then come back. There's another mountain to the west of me, but I want to heal my wounds a bit. I find a log near the lake and push it onto the ice to break it, then pull it back. I heal my wounds, light the fire, get some sleep. I wake up in the middle of the night in the rain so i do a little rock fishing. No fish.

Day 3 57% injured, unable to stand.

I head back to the mountain, look up but I can't see anything new so time to head due west to the next mountain. From the next mountain i can see another lake one tile northwest and a bunch of tiles north so i'm going to head to that for the night. each tile is 64 little squares wide so i just count how many times i go left and if i hit 128 (2 tiles) then i start going right again instead.

Day 4 53% injured, unable to stand.

I didn't make it to the lake before i fell asleep so i continue towards the lake. It wasn't very far away. Went back to the mountain, still can't see any new mountains, still north east of sartola, so I go back to my southwest pattern. I'm cold and exhausted and it's evening so light a log and go to sleep but unfortunately wake up at midnight vigorous, so I light a torch and continue on. By the small hours, I'm bitterly cold so I light another tree trunk. This is the problem with travelling at night.  I wait by the fire until I'm tired and then sleep the rest of the night.

Day 5 48% injured, finally I can stand. 12% starvation

Now that I can stay this is going to go better. I'll have to waste less time recovering because walking isn't tiring like crawling. I'm not too worried about the starvation, after 4 fulls days I'm 12% starved so that's about 3% starvation per day. I can survive another month and it won't take me that long to find a village. I do have to hurry because it's only going to get colder but for now I can light a fire whenever i get cold and still have lots of time for walking. Next month I won't be able to walk 20 steps without going from hot to numbingly cold. This means no more berry gathering. I have about 7lb of berries and I'm only going to eat them if I go multiple days without finding water and am in danger of dying of thirst, or if they start to go stale. I happened upon another mountain. There's another mountain southwest of here, 6 tiles west, more tiles than that to the south so I'm going to head for that. From this mountain there's another mountain to the west, just one tile south. And from here the are some mountains to the south. North west of those mountains is a small lake where i'll camp tonight.

Day 6 45% injured, 15% starved

Heading back to the mountain, now that it's morning I can see another mountain to the south, 6 tiles to the east, so heading that way now. And from there, there's one directly southeast a few tiles away. Still "near northern sartola" I'm really curious if i'm heading in the right direction or not but bouncing between mountains is the safest way to go. The next mountain is 8 tiles west and 14 tiles south which is going to be harder not to lose my count and i might overshoot it or something but if I don't make it there'll always be another mountain. I made it there safely and now there's one just one tile south and a long way to the west and it's near a lake! I'm spending the night at the lake and then continuing on tomorrow.

Day 7 41% injured, 16% starved

No fish at the lake, healed my injuries, heading back to the mountains. There are a few mountains in a row. From here, if I had northwest until I hit the water and then west until I hit the hill and then go northwest one more tile I should hit another mountain but if I don't hit the water where I expect to then I just need to follow along the coast and I'll still hit the mountain. And now it says I'm in north eastern Sartola. I don't see any roads yet but it's only a matter of time.  If I go to the southeast edge of these hills and then go straight south, then follow the lake counterclockwise until just before I reach the hill and then go straight south again, I'll reach the next mountain. I must have miscalculated because I never found this lake but sooner or later I'll find something. I found a thicket! I checked all four sides in case there was a road or other village-like tile near it but there wasn't. it was a long shot, groves are often near villages but thickets are random. I have come to a lake. I'm pretty sure it's not the one I was aiming for. I'm going to explroe around it. I drop 3 spruce twigs near the shore so that i don't go around in circles if I go all the way around. I spend the night at the shore

Day 8 38% injured, 19% starved

I'll continue this another day.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 25, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
Day 8 38% injured, 19% starved

Continuing around the lake, I found a mountain. Now I'm "near eastern Sartola." I guess I'll continue around this lake till I get to some hills and then go west to the next mountain. Continuing around the lake, I see a forest reindeer carcass in the ice. I'm going to go get it, but first I'm going to pull a trunk to the shore and light it on fire because the water is very cold. Miraculously, I didn't fall through the ice. With the stone knife I was able to get 29 cuts of meat from the forest reindeer carcass, which will keep me fed for a while. I roast only 10 of the meat cuts because the stale timer resets when you roast them and I want to be able to eat all of them before they spoil.

Day 9 33% injured, 19% starved

I wake up and my tanning forest reindeer hide is ready to be picked up, my fire is burnt down to embers. I pick it up and go back on my way. I'm going to wait until I'm cold again to do more tanning, I don't have time to waste. I reach the next mountain but I don't see any other mountains. There's a lake to the west so I'm going to head towards that. Going to go around it, then when I hit the lichenous pine forest west of the lake, I'm going to go west to the next lake and then go around that. We'll see. Again I leave 3 spruce twigs by the lake to mark my place so if I see it again I'll know I've gone all the way around. I need to pay more attention when circling around the ice, I keep walking onto the ice and falling through, but while warming up by a fire I finish tanning my 9 lb forest reindeer fur. Next time I light a fire I'll make some clothes but now I'm going to sleep.

Day 10 27% injured, 12% starved

Continuing around the lake. I reach my spruce twigs again so now I'm just going to go west. I find a large lichenous pine forest area with a hill and explore around it but don't find any mountains so I go west some more. Eventually, I find a lake and drop some branches and start a circle around it. Found a mountain by exploring a lichenous pine forest but it's too dark to see very much 'm going to head north to a lake and then come back in the morning. I wake up in the snow so I make a shirt and then go back to sleep.

Day 11 24% injured, 12% starved

From the mountain, if I go south one tile then east to the lake, then due south I'll hit another mountain. I'm now "Near Sartola" so maybe I'm not heading in the right idrection but we'll see. From this mountain if I go southwest till I hit the lake then follow it clockwise then I'll hit another mountain. While going around that lake I found a squirrel so I took some time to throw rocks at it. At the mountain, I see that if I continue along this lake I'll hit a river. rivers are great. There are often villages along rivers, and there may be other mountains by the river later, and it will also lead to the sea. If I hit the sea, I'll continue south until I find another river and then go along it until I get to a lake and then go around the south side of the river. I think this is the best path to finding a village.  Another option, if I get lucky with finding more mountains, is to pay attention to when I stop being "Near Sartola" and see if I reach sartola proper, then if I pass through Sartola and come out the other side I could turn around and weave back and forth through sartola until I find a village. I spend some time gathering heathers but I get cold so I light a fire for the night and skin and butcher my squirrel carcass.

Day 12 18% injured, 10% starved

Continuing along the river. I've come across a lot of fords but I haven't crossed any of them. I encounter a lichenous pine forest and veer away from the river to explore it and am rewarded with a hill, and eventually a mountain. The mountain turns out to be bordering the same river i was following so i would've found it anyway. It's late afternoon now so I'll head back to the water and light a fire and make some fur footwear with the rest of my forest reindeer fur and squirrel fur.

Day 13 15% injured, 3% starved

Well I'm in Sartola now and it's snowing a lot. Next mountain: follow river to the rapids, then continue following the river west until it turns to the south, then head straight south to the mountain. Still in Sartola! And if I had south from here I'll hit another river and there's a mountain, i just go south to the water, west to the hill, north to the lichenous pine forest, west to the mountain. From here, south to the river and there will be some more mountains along the river. Followed this chain of mountains and now I can see this river joins the one above it to the west of me so I want to go back the way I came and around it to continue along its south bank, or maybe venture across one of the fords. It turned out there was a ford just south of the cliff so I lay down and inched my way across the surface. Success! The ice didn't break. But I forgot to look where the mountains on the south side of the river are so back to the cliff. Looks like if I go to one tile east of the second rapids and then south I'll find a mountain. Looks like there's a river south of me too but I don't see any other mountains yet. I'm going to go back the way I came and continue west along the river.

Day 14 13% injured, 0% starved

I reached a mountain at the end of the yesterday and camped with a fire. Now it's morning and zoomed out I see I am once again "Near Sartola", so I will go southeast to the next river and head back east through Sartola until I reach the other side again. Spent the day heading east along the river, nothing of note happened.

Day 15 12% injured, 0% starved

Almost out of food again, but it'll be a month till I starve. Found some more mountains. The next one is just east of the second rapids and north from there. And then back south to the river, follow it to the hill, then two tiles northeast of the hill. and then back to the hill, and the one tile west and a bunch of tiles north. Going east to the lake for the night and going to view this mountain again in the morning.

Day 16 11% injured, 0% starved

Headed back to the river. The next mountain is south of the river, one tile west of the rapids and a few tiles south but it looks like the river is ending in a small lake soon so maybe I'll get there via ford or maybe i'll get there by going around.

Day 17 8% injured, 0% starved

Starting to starve again. I'm in Southern Sartola and I don't see any other mountains from this one so I'm just going to keep heading west along the south side of this river. I've been carrying a rock equipped and throwing it at any bird I see and finally got lucky.

Day 18 7% injured, 0% starved

continuing around the river.

Day 19 5% injured, 3% starved

continuing around the river.  Thoroughly explored a large lichenous pine forest but no luck this time. Finally found a mountain and I've passed through Sartola again so going to head north back to the river, spend the night, and try going east again. Managed to catch a pike with a rock!

Day 20 4% injured, 4% starved

From here I should go east to one tile east of the hills, then south to the next hill, then east to the next mountain. And then one tile east and a few tiles south. And then one tile east and 2 north. From here I don't see any mountains so I'm just going to east and hope for the best. No mountains, but I did finally find a bit of water so I'll camp here for the night and then circumambulate it.

Day 21 2% injured, 0% starved

The ground goes up quite steeply just a little bit around the lake so I follow it, find a  hill, follow that, find a mountain and now I know I'm back in Southern Sartola and I have some more mountains to check out. Next is one tile north and a few to the east. I see a field to the north! I don't see a village but where there's a field there's a village. So if I go straight north until I hit the lichenous pine forest, then straight west until I hit the hill, then from the hill I go north one tile to the lichenous pine forest, north one tile to the heathland and then I go west from there. Once I hit the field I don't know, I guess I'll go west for a bit, say 5 tiles, then 1 tile north and 8 tiles east and 1 tile north and 8 tiles west again -- or we'll see. I found a road and then I followed along it and then I saw dog tracks and then I found a village. So from here on out it'll be smooth sailing. Now I help a villager out with some chores and hopefully get a better knife out of it. While I was wandering around, I was collecting feathers when I saw them so I'm going to make some arrows to sell.

Day 22 0% injured, 2% starved

Unfortunately, I didn't have enough feathers to make enough arrows to get a broad knife, even with my reward. I borrowed a fine axe in the village to make a wooden bowl so I can carry some water around with me, and a wooden shovel in case I wasn't too late for digging but it is. I guess my next step is to make a trap fence without pit traps, I'll buy a leather rope from the village so I can make a stone axe and a bear trap for my trap fence.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 25, 2020, 05:41:02 PM
key ideas:

* pick a direction. East is probably bad because you might wind up north of njerpez territory where there's nothing. North can be good because there are lots of mountains so it'll be easy to find one and easy to go from mountain to mountain, but it can be harder to find water, and northern villages don't have fields or roads between them so it can be harder to stumble on one. This is offset by the more mountains I guess. South can be good because there's lots of water and you're basically guaranteed to hit a river eventually. West can be good, you'll probably hit a river or the sea.

* pay attention to the terrain. If it's sloping down, follow it to find water. You can drink water in pine mires and open mires safely. Get some cloudberries early on (spruce mire, pine mire, open mire), but use them for security as a last resort -- if you're too thirsty to stand, you'll have them. If you eat them when you're only a little thirsty and then you find some water soon, then the berries are gone. I still have my berries by the time reach the village. You probably don't need more than 5 lb of berries and you're in a race against time with the cold.

* rivers and lakes are your friend, especially early on. It's pretty common for animals to misjudge the ice. If you explore all rivers and lakes thoroughly, you might find one dead animal per season like I did, more if it's a herd animal

* when the land slopes up, explore thoroughly to find a mountain. once you find a mountain, you can bounce from mountain to mountain for a while if you pay attention to where you have to go.

* whenever you're cool, start looking for a tree trunk and light a fire.

* pick a direction and stick to it, but once you find your way into a cultural territory, if you pass through it to the other side, try to turn around and pass through it in a snake S part, sooner or later you'll find a road.

* don't waste time fishing; it's really hard with a rock and you're in a race against time, but it's okay to fish a little if you wake up in the middle of the night and you want to wait until morning to start moving again, because you might get lucky.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Teellox on August 26, 2020, 01:55:17 PM
I borrowed a fine axe in the village to make a wooden bowl so I can carry some water around with me

Wait, that's a thing you can do? I've always had villagers get angry with me if I'm holding something of theirs for too long, even if I haven't moved out of the village tile.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: BlankPaper on August 26, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
I borrowed a fine axe in the village to make a wooden bowl so I can carry some water around with me

Wait, that's a thing you can do? I've always had villagers get angry with me if I'm holding something of theirs for too long, even if I haven't moved out of the village tile.

If you leave the axe on the ground and craft your wooden bowl on a nearby tile, they won't get angry and you still get to use the tool! ;)
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 26, 2020, 02:15:14 PM
Yeah, I justify it in my head like "if I don't pick it up then it signals to them that i'm not intending to steal it or buy it and i'm just asking them to borrow it" When I'm better off i can give them some food to thank them.

I've spent the next couple days constructing a tiny bit of fencing and a bird trap, which has caught a bird. i light a single slender tree trunk with 3 branches whenever i get cold, and it's pretty slow going with a stone knife and stone axe. i'm thinking of going back to the village to craft a bunch of wooden stakes there by their fire with their axe.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 27, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
Day 26 0% injured, 8% starved

In the past few days I've made 16 fences and 1 light lever trap, which caught a raven in my trap so I'm going to make some more arrows and then hang out in the village making more wooden stakes because it takes forever in the cold with having to light fires all the time.

Day 33 0% injured, 33% starved

My trap fence now has 1 light lever trap, 1 bear trap, and 1 small deadfall trap with 8 fences between each. I'm going to visit another village now. I wound up buying another leather rope but I can't really afford anything else.

Day 40 0% injured, 47% starved

My trap fence now also has a large deadfall trap. I'm going back to a village now and goint to make some 48 wooden stakes  and then my fence will be done. I am starting to get concerned about the starvation, next goal is a fishing rod. Got the branches quest, maybe I'll finally get a broad knife at this village. Success! It took ten squirrel hides worth a reward (it was the same village I got my last quest from), 16 rough arrows, and 1 arrow, but it was worth it.

Day 42 0% injured, 52% starved

I spent a couple days visiting some other villages in hopes of finding a fishing rod. Then when I got back to my trap fence, I found an elk in my bear trap! I'm saved!

Day 47 0% injured, 39% starved

I made an overcoat and leggings out of the elk fur and have dried most of the meat and roasted the rest.  I'm exploring a new village now, still hoping for a fishing rod. I made notes of what items the village has for later but nothing I can buy now. Now that I'm a bit better equipped with furs, I'm going to take a trip down south because there will definitely be fishing rods in islander villages and sometimes islander territory extends onto the mainland. Also, the ice is thick enough now that it's safe to cross it.

Day 51 0% injured, 20% starved

I had to visit 2 villages in islander territory but I did find a fishing rod. The islander adventurer only wanted one rough arrow for it so that's pretty good. I'm out of food again but I'm going to be just fine. I think I'll start trying to build a house very slowly, still with my stone axe, but doing quests religiously every 14 days so that I can try to get some rewards and a better axe. Also, I'll check my trap fence everyday and reset them until I get a skill up. You can get 3 skill ups per skill per day but I'm not in that much of a hurry.

Day 63 0% injured, 31% starved

I got another quest 8 days ago and got a reward at the village that has the masterwork handaxe. With the arrows I've made, I have almost enough to buy it but not quite. I've mostly been working on training up trapping, but I just happened on a fatigued badger so i followed him till he was breathless and killed him. My dried elk will be ready in about a week, too. I made some badger mittens out of the badger, and also a fur hood out of the rest of the badger and a little bit of my overcoat. As you can see from my starvation, I'm not spending all that much time fishing -- only when I'm cold and waiting by the fire. Otherwise I'm training trapping up and moving logs from my trapping area to where my home will be -- this is less efficient than just chopping them down at my new home but I find it relaxing.

Day 68 15% injured, 27% starved

Had a few really cold days and I got a bit frostbit so i've just been sitting by a fire and fishing until this cold snap ends, couldn't venture away from my fire long enough to do much else. Just got a squirrel today. I think I1ll make it (and a little bit more of my overcoat) into a cap. Tomorrow I'll check the village again for another quest and by the time I got home i'll have some dried elk cuts ready.

Day 69 15% injured, 28% starved

Wounded adventurer quest! He says it's in a lichenous pine forest with a heathland south of that so real easy. The reward is a treasure in a cave (yay no digging) in Fallencliff in southeast Sartola. Great. I could have just kept his woodsman's axe which would have been really useful to me right now but I'm betting that the treasure in the cave better.

Day 70 15% injured, 28% starved

There's an escaping small bear in this cave but I'm really determined to get the reward so i'm just going to try to avoid it. 1 masterwork trident, 2 masterwork angos, masterwork leather shoes, masterwork fur footwear, 2 masterwork leather boots, 4 superior winter elk furs, 1 bronze flower-ornamented comb. I safely avoided the bear. On my way home, I take a break to sit by a fire and craft a cloak. Normally this would be a waste of a superior fur because they are very valuable for trading and the best cloak you can make is just decent, but I want to be able to light fewer fires. I'm also going to repair my other clothes that I had previously cannibalised a bit to make more clothes sooner than I had new furs for.

Day 71 14% injured, 25% starved

Traded my elk fur cap, 5 rough arrows and 11 arrows (and my 7 squirrel hides reward) for a masterwork handaxe. life is going to be good from now on.

Day 79 15% injured, 0% starved

checking my traps i find a badger, and while processing it, a bull elk, and while processing that, an eagle owl.

day 84 13% injured, 0% starved

Finished processing all of those animals, went to a village, got the forest spirits quest, so I guess my next goal is to find some silver but it's not a very high priority goal; i want to build a small sauna.

day 91 10% injured, 0% starved

It's the start of Pearl month now, February. I have built two walls and a door so far of my sauna. I'll put this aside now and play some more another day.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Tom H on August 29, 2020, 06:15:58 PM
TWO Masterwork Angos? In my 800+ hours I've never even SEEN an Ango. The value of those must be off the chart!
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 30, 2020, 03:04:36 PM
Yeah, I got really lucky there.

You can sometimes find angos in the archipelago, being carried by an islander adventurer or an islander hunter, almost never lying around for sale in their shops. Finding masterwork ones is pretty incredible.

Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Plotinus on August 30, 2020, 03:09:33 PM
Day 101 14% injured, 0% starved

Checking out a new village in case they have any silver.

Day 102 14% injured, 0% starved

Checked another village, this one had the robber's quest. I accepted it but I am probably going to let it lapse. Returned home, found a glutton in my traps.

Day 114 13% injured, 0% starved

Finished my 1x2 sauna.

Day 119 10% injured, 0% starved

Visited some villages in driik, didn't find any silver but did get a travelling companion quest. Luckily, my character is actually is Sartolanian so it's going to be easy to take him to a village.

Day 123 7% injured, 0% starved

Traded 10 lb of superior elk fur for a perfect shovel. I'm going to go find the island where the reward from the travelling companion quest is, though I can't dig it yet of course.

Day 141 0% injured, 0% starved

Visited a new village, got the branches quest, bought some rye grains and flax seeds. The flax does rely on a mod but winter will be over by the time i plant them, and the OP says that's okay after winter. It's late soil month right now so I'm almost there. I still have 7 cloudberries left from way back at the beginning. I've been using them to bait my traps slowly and replacing them as they get eaten but soon it will be swidden and they'll go stale and I'll eat the rest of them.

Day 153 0% injured, 0% starved

It's Swidden (April) now. I have been building a little cabin just a few steps away from the sauna, mostly for lack of other things to do. The snow is thigh deep still and I'm checking everyday [alt-a s] to see if I can start preparing a little field yet or not, but it's not yet. I guess I should gather up my furs and wander around looking for travelling traders to get some silver, or failing that, explore the driik villages until I find one.  The robbers quest did expire, I never went looking for them.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Buoidda on November 14, 2020, 08:55:56 PM
On first go I soon resorted zooming out and was in Driik in no time. Didn't feel like a challenge anymore, so I quit.

I just had to try properly: Sharing my experience

At first it felt so exciting, not knowing where u are. Really lost. I had piece of paper taped so I couldn't see region clues. (They can also ruin your experience since they sometimes flash on zoomed-in map while map is loading.)

My strategy was to move towards populated direction asap. No hunting, no berry-picking, just go. It's easier to find villages, game and water if you move as much as possible. I did meet an elk near a lake at some point and soon wore elk. Starvation and cold weren't a problem.

Since I've spent six real hours walking south (zoomed in) and side-eyeing TV. Utterly tedious. No fun at all.

It turns out I was inside Reemi area the whole time. Without finding a single village (I've passed one) and only couple of useless mountains.

Spoiler: show

The character is alive and well but I don't think I am :P  So much for that saturday evening. Be warned.

PS. I'd modify the rules so that zooming out is allowed after finding first cliff/mountain. Or just tape the paper and zoom out immediately. Sure it's easier but rules also tell to have fun.  ;)

PPS. If I may say so, I'd suggest to rename the challenge something like the "lost challenge" or smth. Just to ease distinguishing between different challenges, I'm sure people invent more...   :o
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Rhaikh on April 10, 2021, 09:53:53 PM
It's been a year so I tried this again.

Random starting location (press new world and then start immediately), HHA, winter, drop everything.
Slightly easier than original rules:
- Chose culture & rerolled a little bit.
- Allowed myself to zoom out only after reaching a mountain peak
- Not allowed to use villages

On my 2nd attempt, just killed a reindeer with a bow cornering it against a trap fence :)  Very hard, on the edge of starvation and freezing until this.  Did not really seek out cloudberries this time, all trapping and active hunting. *Edit*: My survival was still tenuous after this kill, but soon I took down a boar and 2 elk.  That's enough fur for some warm clothes which makes life much easier.  I was able to trap a bear, with 100 cuts drying, so I think that's a win.

Not being able to zoom out really changes the game a lot and is the main challenge.  I am not sure about the realism factor in searching for a mountain, it seems like you could just look up and see one.
Title: Re: "The Challenge"
Post by: Utumno on April 25, 2021, 11:48:09 PM


Tried this challenge a couple times, always ended up a frozen statue. My strategy was to be always on the move until finding a village. Never happened before death!

This time I tried something different. Spawned near a big lake, so just stayed there. The idea was to get prepared as much as possible before going on the walk to find civilization.

Sequence of activities was:

1. Make stone knife, javelin. (for general work, fishing)
2. Build first shelter (2 days) by the shore.
3. Spawn light lever traps (over 20 or so) all around the big lake. Bait them with whatever berry is around, don't eat them. Sacrifice berries to the gods, they like it.
4. Alternate days between mainly fishing, and, if food surplus, mainly exploring/collecting wood for heating.

Your main enemy is the cold, much more than hunger. Therefore you always need wood, and with just a knife that means cutting down young pines. Lots of them. Also, collect branches and pine needles as kindling. Think ahead: build up caches of small tree trunks in strategic locations around the lake, plus shelters next to each one. The shelters give you some protection against the cold, and serve as secure bases to retreat if it gets too cold.

When traveling around the lake, always carry some kindling with you , and OBSERVE YOUR TEMPERATURE. If it falls to "cold", you should be near one of your wood caches, or have enogh time to cut down a young spruce and fire it before getting too cold. Again, thinking ahead is essential. Interrupt ANY activity if you temperature gets too low: fishing, building, hunting, whatever: cold kills, always, and another opportunity will arise sooner or later.

Be persistent and organized, and always be doing something. In my run it took me 25 traps and 24 days to kill enough birds to manufacture a leather cord (15 ft), and therefore a stone axe. Starvation only lasted the first 6 days because, between fishing and birds, I was always pretty well fed, even had some leftover food in particularly good days. The weather varied quite a lot: some days were almost like autumn and I used them to the max, other were so brutally cold I could do nothing but stand near a fire, and I got frostbite a few times. But all in all it was survivable. Watch your sleep: being awake in daylight is important.   

Soon afterwards, a stroke of good luck: got a badger! Badgers are great animals because any human can just run them down. From its fur I made enough cords to build a primitive bow plus some arrows.
By the day 43 I had another badger and more birds, plus a reliable 2-3 pikes in reserve. From the birds' leather I made a leather cap and shoes, and from the new badger, a fur hood.

So there I was in the winter month, fully armed with stone knife and axe and bow plus arrows, and my old javelin. With shoes and a hood to have a little warmth. Apart from that, buck naked, but hey, I was alone. And with a full belly, surprisingly.

At this point i realized I could live indefinitely by the big lake, if I wasn't careless with the heating. I had two options:

1. Stay there until spring. Nothing new to do: fishing, birding, cutting down young trees, hunting the occasional animal. Pros: Quite safe, and it wasn't impossible that a big hervibore wandered about, offering the chance of getting some proper clothing and a change in diet. Cons: I'll have to live like that for months. Boring.   

2. Look for other people. Pros: My new gear gave me a better chance of completing the challenge than before, and I could actually stumble into an elk or similar. Cons: simply dangerous: already in winter month and getting colder, so mobility was compromised. I could well be practically disabled by hunger before hunting anything. Or just freeze, again. Or die of thirst.

Of course, being an irresponsible jerk, I choose 2.

Picked everything useful and went south. South is the best direction to go: from a random location, cultures tend to be closer in the north-south axis than in the east-west axis, and if you miss them, sooner or later you'll hit either another big lake or the sea. And that was what happened to me: after some days got to the ocean. Began walking west along the coast hoping to hit driik or some river mouth (to go upriver and explore). I used the cliffs as mountains (they have the same picture as mountains so I guess they are ok for the challenge?)  A few days later, an elk! Got him (almost freezing myself in the chase) and well, paradise: overcoat, mittens, fur boots, some 50 cuts. Yeah, the challenge was done. Only a matter of time, right?

I consider it done. I forgot some bad dream that had my happy self, just 3 days after the big kill, accidentely freezing to death  with all my damn new clothes on, trying to fire some stupid small trunk or something that refused to light up for a bit too long. But it was just a bad dream, a nightmire. I finished The Challenge!

Right? Right???