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Title: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 25, 2018, 06:34:01 PM
I started as the Owl-tribe and must have visited 12 villages all across the Owl region, went through every village building and talked with every adult to see if they have anything to trade, and found a grand total of 0 axes!

This means I cannot set up a permanent home and progress in my life.

I walked to the nearby Kiesse region in hopes that they might have an axe, but 4 villages later and still no axe.

If this is normal, and certain regions just don't have axes, it ruins selecting that culture as the starting tribe, because you end up having to migrate to another region anyway because you can't get out of the early game without an axe.

Where can I get an axe? Am I supposed to cross the map to the traders in Driik to get one?

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Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: tedomedo on September 25, 2018, 06:43:57 PM
I always delete character if he doesn't have an axe in the beginning.
You can cheat - read http://unrealworld.wikia.com/wiki/Playing_With_UrW_Files#Zoom-_Files (http://unrealworld.wikia.com/wiki/Playing_With_UrW_Files#Zoom-_Files). Read other cheating pages on unrealworld.wikia.com (http://unrealworld.wikia.com)
The best shops are in Driiki villages, start new character in Driiki region.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 25, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
I always delete character if he doesn't have an axe in the beginning.
You can cheat - read http://unrealworld.wikia.com/wiki/Playing_With_UrW_Files#Zoom-_Files (http://unrealworld.wikia.com/wiki/Playing_With_UrW_Files#Zoom-_Files). Read other cheating pages on unrealworld.wikia.com (http://unrealworld.wikia.com)
The best shops are in Driiki villages, start new character in Driiki region.

Thanks for the suggestion tedomedo, but I don't like cheating. It's against the spirit of the game.

Even if I start with an axe, I still need to get the other 3 types of axes... so I would still be forced to migrate to a better region before I can set up a permanent home and start the game.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: tedomedo on September 25, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
I'd like to be able to ask craftman in a village to craft something i want. I would pay in advance and wait one week or more, depending on quality and what to craft.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: PALU on September 25, 2018, 11:00:26 PM
It sounds like you're very unlucky. As far as I know all cultures have all axes, but the Driik have more of just about everything, while the Northern tribes tend to be relatively poor.
Getting all axes typically requires some travel, and getting masterworks quality for all requires a fair bit (often a lot) of it. Note, however, that you only *need* one axe (that isn't a stone axe), but it takes a lot of time to use unsuitable tools, and the quality suffers as well (not that it matters initially, as starting characters typically suck at the corresponding skills). A hand axe and a woodsman's axe will cover the basics, though, and Njerpezit have been known to *donate* such tools. Apart from villages and donations, foreign traders can carry some tool axes, but you need the only currency they take for that to work out. Finally, you can sometimes trade for items villagers carry, although they usually aren't interested.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 26, 2018, 08:05:31 AM
Thanks for the insight PALU. I visited 4 more Kiesse (this is an Eastern culture, not North) villages since I last wrote and the mythical axe still eludes me. I also have talked with every adult villager in every village so far.

I don't think I can enter Njerpe yet because I'm still in the early game (all I've been doing is travelling in search of an axe and a bit of hunting/fishing to sustain myself).

Maybe I should use this (https://www.unrealworld.fi/forums/index.php?topic=147.0) or this (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/urwforum/buoidda-39-s-crafts-1-6-2-updated-2017-01-30-t8043.html) mod, that allows one to create these essential items instead of having to travel around the whole world in 80 days just to get the basics, which I think is unrealistic and annoying.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: PALU on September 26, 2018, 10:46:03 AM
You don't get Njerps to "donate" things by entering Njerpezit territory, but rather by engaging the lone Njerp raiders out in you part of the world. Actual warfare against the Njerps is an outlier in the game and not something you're expected to do (I've tried it once, and my character eventually died, as expected).

There are essentially two ways to engage Njerp raiders: See them on the overland map and seek them out to engage them, and stumble into them and get drawn down to the zoomed-in map. In the latter case you can sometimes withdraw, and sometimes you're forced to fight. You can, of course, chose to attack a Njerp rather than withdraw if you have that option. Combat is dangerous, though. Regardless, I'd rather engage a Njerp than a bear (I basically never engage bears if I can avoid it).
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: Ara D. on September 26, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
It might go against the spirit of your game but the basic tutourial living in the wild will gift you an axe at the watercourse task
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: Tom H on September 26, 2018, 06:53:24 PM
It might depend upon whom you are asking. Look for the woodsmen in the villages, eh? Based solely upon my limited experience, hunters and woodsmen carry the tools of their trade, though I have not seen them with anything better than Fine equipment. The Driik villages have the nice stuff, usually laying around in their shops. I even saw a 'Beautiful Pot' today...heh.

I agree that the Njerks are good donors. However, though I've beaten a lot of them, just 1v1, I've lost some really promising characters that way. But, if you win a few fights, you'll have  a lot of trade goods!
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 26, 2018, 07:45:35 PM
It might depend upon whom you are asking. Look for the woodsmen in the villages, eh?

I have been asking every adult I found in the village. Don't remember seeing a woodsmen though, lots of sages, old men, etc.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: tedomedo on September 26, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
Check inventory of every villager. If you see that someone have many weapons and tools including an axe, you have good chances that we will want to go hunting with you.  You have to give him food for 2 days. When he becomes your companion, go out of village, go to another local world and kill him and pick his things.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: PALU on September 26, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
Check inventory of every villager. If you see that someone have many weapons and tools including an axe, you have good chances that we will want to go hunting with you.  You have to give him food for 2 days. When he becomes your companion, go out of village, go to another local world and kill him and pick his things.
If you're going the murderer route, be aware that villagers don't like to see others leave with you and never return. You'll never be able to hire anyone from that village again (I haven't murdered, but I've lost posse members when doing robber quests, and in addition to that I've had dismissed, perfectly healthy, posse members just never return home).
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: werepacman on September 26, 2018, 08:24:52 PM
I think it is completely normal. Game is random. If you want to have an axe start as lonely settler.

In your case you have another quest to do. Move to other land to find a axe.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: tedomedo on September 26, 2018, 09:00:29 PM
PALU, it's enough to delete NAME.VIL file in save folder and you can get someone from that village again.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: Privateer on September 26, 2018, 09:22:07 PM
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Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 26, 2018, 09:41:16 PM
I think it is completely normal. Game is random. If you want to have an axe start as lonely settler.

In your case you have another quest to do. Move to other land to find a axe.

If this is completely normal have you spent every game you started walking for hours through 20 villages across 2 regions to find an axe?

I don't want to murder innocent villagers for their axes, that's just despicable.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: werepacman on September 27, 2018, 02:15:39 AM


If this is completely normal have you spent every game you started walking for hours through 20 villages across 2 regions to find an axe?

I don't want to murder innocent villagers for their axes, that's just despicable.

This is rare coincidence. Normal or not depends on point of view.

In my current game I discovered 30 villages before build settlement.
This is because I was very picky and want shore, hill with good view, and Driik village and wood supply near my settlement. I also collected tools seeds and animals during travel.

I understand this is not your choice how to start game. But there different options.

You can view typical map of regions before character creation to suggest direction to Driik willage or other culture.
It is also good to print screen world map before entering the world.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: SpaghettiCat on September 27, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
This is rare coincidence. Normal or not depends on point of view.

In my current game I discovered 30 villages before build settlement.
This is because I was very picky and want shore, hill with good view, and Driik village and wood supply near my settlement. I also collected tools seeds and animals during travel.

I understand this is not your choice how to start game. But there different options.

You can view typical map of regions before character creation to suggest direction to Driik willage or other culture.
It is also good to print screen world map before entering the world.

Hmm OK, thanks for the insight; if it's a rare coincidince I can understand. A bit annoying though that every game you have to move to Driik region, then it doesn't make sense to choose to start as another tribe.

A rare coincidence of the good kind happened to me yesterday!  ;D I was walking along the overhead map and suddenly was brought down into the detailed map because a Njerp was spotted! I looked at him and saw he has an axe! I was desperate for it. I'm pretty good with the bow so after 3 shots the fiend was dead, and I inheritted all his treasure, including a.... woodsman's axe! Now to find the other axe types so I can build a permanent home and start preparing for winter.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: PALU on September 27, 2018, 12:43:34 PM
Congratulations!

A woodsman's axe is, in my view, the best one if you only have one, and it's definitely good enough to use to build a settlement. Sure, the other axes are useful to do things faster and better, but my first choice would be a woodsman's axe and the second a hand axe (although I'd be happy to find a carving axe instead).
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: werepacman on September 27, 2018, 07:18:29 PM
A bit annoying though that every game you have to move to Driik region, then it doesn't make sense to choose to start as another tribe.

This was my first self made quest. :) I choose to start with native tribe and then move to Driik. :)

I start as lonely settler with 3 axes. It would be too easy to start in Driik region.


A rare coincidence of the good kind happened to me yesterday!  ;D I was walking along the overhead map and suddenly was brought down into the detailed map because a Njerp was spotted! I looked at him and saw he has an axe! I was desperate for it. I'm pretty good with the bow so after 3 shots the fiend was dead, and I inheritted all his treasure, including a.... woodsman's axe! Now to find the other axe types so I can build a permanent home and start preparing for winter.
8)
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: Labtop 215 on September 30, 2018, 05:58:02 AM
Congratulations!

A woodsman's axe is, in my view, the best one if you only have one, and it's definitely good enough to use to build a settlement. Sure, the other axes are useful to do things faster and better, but my first choice would be a woodsman's axe and the second a hand axe (although I'd be happy to find a carving axe instead).

Personally, I'd prioritize a masterwork hand-axe over a masterwork woodsman's axe, since the hand-axe applies to more crafting and building options than a woodsman's axe does.
Title: Re: Where the heck are the axes?
Post by: PALU on September 30, 2018, 11:00:07 AM
Congratulations!

A woodsman's axe is, in my view, the best one if you only have one, and it's definitely good enough to use to build a settlement. Sure, the other axes are useful to do things faster and better, but my first choice would be a woodsman's axe and the second a hand axe (although I'd be happy to find a carving axe instead).

Personally, I'd prioritize a masterwork hand-axe over a masterwork woodsman's axe, since the hand-axe applies to more crafting and building options than a woodsman's axe does.
When it comes to upgrading to higher quality axes from having lower quality ones the priorities are rather different from the ones where you can get a single first axe and have a choice of which one to buy. Which Masterwork quality axe is most important depends on your game play and situation: I'd probably prefer a masterwork carving axe first and a masterwork woodsman's axe second in most cases.