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zwierzax:
Hello,
I was stopped by two robbers yesterday, So I took opportunity and make a copy of my save.
After many tries I manage to kill them with minor injuries.
It was long hard, frustrating fight and I started to think that, someone who use a tool to hit, should have some experience in hitting living targets as well, but not in counterattacks and parry.
My character cut lots of trees, make lots of boards, so should know how to use axe to hit, but in that particular fight I won because I cripple both robbers with a bow, and then backing up, and counter strike their battle sword strikes.
I don’t think that simple lumberjack could do it, most likely dodge the strikes, and then hit them precisely like in elbows or knees.
So maybe add some more fighting related skills like parry, and then it shouldn’t be a problem that simple lumberjack is master of their weapon buts that all, with someone who have decent knowledge how to parry, he wouldn’t stood chance, but from simple robbers can defend himself

PALU:
If the trees are dodging your lumberjack he should cut back on the booze and noiaidi mushrooms. Also, trees very rarely attack lumberjacks when they try to cut the trees down (a pile of snow or a dislodged branch at the worst).

Cutting down trees uses a completely different skill from using an axe for fighting in UrW, and the weapon skills include all usages of the weapon in a fight, i.e. attacking, counterattacking, and blocking (which essentially the same as parrying).

There's some synergy between cutting down trees and using an axe for combat, but that's not modeled in UrW. Also note that some "simple robbers" can be extremely hard to hit even for master fighters in UrW.

zwierzax:

--- Quote from: PALU on July 23, 2020, 11:36:51 AM ---Cutting down trees uses a completely different skill from using an axe for fighting in UrW, and the weapon skills include all usages of the weapon in a fight, i.e. attacking, counterattacking, and blocking (which essentially the same as parrying

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That’s the point.
It shouldn’t be, it should somehow crossover.
 In urw if my character is master in example sword, and lost it somehow in a fight, ant then pick up the axe who is not familiar with, this axe is useless, for me urw should be simulation, so if one know how to fight, one can do it with every weapon, But somewhat less effective but not to a point that weapon is almost useless.
If you know how to parry an attack with a sword, you can do with almost all weapons, maybe not so effectively but still.

Another thing, if one had mastery in more weapons, should be an better fighter, if you one fighting sword vs axe, and one are master in both you can predict moves of your enemy, because one know how to fight his weapon

PALU:
UrW uses an adaptation of the Hârn system. I don't know anything about it myself, but if you look it up you'll probably be able to get some of the background info. Some systems have synergy effects, and some don't: each skill is its own stovepipe, and as far as I understand UrW belongs to the latter group.

And I don't thing there should be any significant synergy between wood cutting and axe fighting (and UrW has the odd case of flail usage increasing the flail fighting skill, which I don't think it should. On the other hand, I don't think anyone would try to fight with a flail unless caught unawares while threshing).

zwierzax:

--- Quote from: PALU on July 23, 2020, 03:00:16 PM ---UrW uses an adaptation of the Hârn system.

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I thought it was Sami invention


--- Quote from: PALU on July 23, 2020, 03:00:16 PM ---And I don't thing there should be any significant synergy between wood cutting and axe fighting.
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Don’t you think that someone who are used to fell a trees, have better chances with someone who hold an axe for the first time ?


--- Quote from: PALU on July 23, 2020, 03:00:16 PM ---On the other hand, I don't think anyone would try to fight with a flail unless caught unawares while threshing
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You just rediscovered origins on nunchaku.



Personally, And back to the topic - the axe/woodcutting skill was an example, that parry skill is needed. It’s a thing you use only in armed vs armed combat so it can’t be learned hitting animals.

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