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[not a bug] sacrificing dried fish pleases the forest, not the water

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Plotinus:
I guess that make sense, but then dried meat shouldn't count the same as fresh meat.

PALU:
I killed an elk today and decided to try to sacrifice after butchering (having performed a daily sacrifice that happened to be smoked meat, in the morning), and the result was "feeling a bit unsteady". Thus, I conclude there is no such thing as a kill sacrifice anymore.

davidor:
Interesting, can confirm the same thing, but the new encyclopedia entry suggest there is a sacrifice for "right after killing a significiant game animal". It could also be the problem of lacking other spells as there is the line
--- Code: ---When combined with detailed instructions of other known spells, the general sacrifice becomes more specialized, offering to a named spirit for a specific purpose.
--- End code ---

PALU:

--- Quote from: davidor on November 16, 2018, 04:42:44 PM ---Interesting, can confirm the same thing, but the new encyclopedia entry suggest there is a sacrifice for "right after killing a significiant game animal". It could also be the problem of lacking other spells as there is the line
--- Code: ---When combined with detailed instructions of other known spells, the general sacrifice becomes more specialized, offering to a named spirit for a specific purpose.
--- End code ---

--- End quote ---
Well, I don't know of any additional rituals making use of the general sacrifice, but I also know my current, rather long lived, character doesn't have all the rituals (and the latest quest actually gave the rather handy blood staunching incantation). Perhaps the entry is either made in preparation for new rituals, or refers to the silver sacrifice one?

Plotinus:
I think the bit about the fresh kill doesn't actually mean that the thing you sacrifice has to be from a freshly killed animal, at least not the way things are coded right now. I think what it means is "if you don't perform a sacrifice soon after killing an animal, the gods will get mad at you."

I think that right now there are different buckets of items: [dried fish, dried meat, smoked fish, smoked meat, roasted fish, roasted meat, raw meat] are in one bucket, [raw fish] is in another bucket, and [silver] is in a third bucket. When you sacrifice an item, it looks up which bucket the item is in and adjusts your relationship with the spirits according to the rules for that bucket.

Separately, there are different buckets of actions: [fishing] is in one bucket, doing it lowers your relationship with the water spirits. [killing big animals, letting big animal carcasses rot in your traps, just taking the skins and not using the meat, excess trapping, excess felling trees] are conjectured to be in another bucket. doing those things lowers your relationship with the forest spirits.

Probably the rituals where you ask for something also affect your relationship with the spirits -- before we had spells, anyway, asking too much made them angry. so probably some more buckets for rituals where they adjust your relationship up or down based on a bunch of factors.

Whenever you do a thing, it figures out whether your relatinoship with the spirit should go up or down by checking what bucket the thing you've done is in.


tl;dr:
So what I was initially arguing was that dried/smoked/cooked fish does not belong in the same bucket as meat, but in the water bucket. You guys have convinced me that actually dried/smoked/cooked food probably doesn't belong in either the forest spirit bucket or the water spirit bucket, but maybe in some generic third bucket.

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