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Mod Releases / Re: [3.80] Smoker. Hot smoking. Now version 1.2!

« on: December 08, 2023, 03:01:44 AM »

Not really part of this mod, but touches your pain point somewhat: add a recipe to make firewood from slender trunks, it’s one I’ve used a long time.

Ah! forgot about that. BAC has that added already and 1 slender outputs the 20 firewoods needed for the smoker.

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Suggestions / Re: Add cooking with wooden bowls

« on: December 08, 2023, 02:57:59 AM »

The prep time doesn’t need to be long, but requiring brined/cured meat as the ingredient would be more realistic. You can utilize the brining recipe from my hotsmoking mod and avoid duplicating work.

Was testing/prepping when you posted.

The above I tested work. Its not quite the same as using an oven. Its meant to access to a combined roasting of meat, turnips and leaves. Without an oven the player could roast the meat and turnips. This just does it as a combination with a quality bonus.

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As for using brined meats:

I read the example recipe as more about debrining the meat after it had been salt perserved.

However...

maybe a separate recipe could be made where brined meat is used.


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As this was placed into a cookery submenu there is plenty of menu space. currently its just the one recipe.

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Suggestions / Re: Add cooking with wooden bowls

« on: December 08, 2023, 02:53:42 AM »

Voila!
Eureka!

Ill worked this up and tested it. Will be adding to BAC shortly. Meanwhile if you want to use it separately:

Try this:

add to your menudef

.Tub cooking. -T- *COOKERY*

and stick into cookery_glossary

[SUBMENU_START:Tub cooking]

//Tub Cooking
//
// by Brygun
// added 2023-12-07
//
// Inspired by conversations stared by Matti-patti at
// https://www.unrealworld.fi/forums/index.php?topic=7171.0
//
// Sample real world recipe
// https://www.maajakotitalousnaiset.fi/reseptit/lemin-sara-etela-karjalasta
// Cook time based on average of young lamb 180m and old shepp
// at half that. Thus 150m.
// For this game a stone is used to elevate the tub out of the fire
//
// The result from bottom to top is the fire lay, the stone,
// tub on the stone
// in the tub the turnips on the bottom
// meat on top of the turnips
// thus meat juices drip onto turnips
//
// sounds tasty so a good skill bonus given
//
// Allowed patch based on capacity of the tub at 10
// herbs and seasoning allowance for stacking a little higher
// than what liquids the tub could hold


.Lemi sra. *COOKERY* /10/  \150\ %30% [effort:1] [patch:5]
{Fire} '+ Heat source started'
{Firewood} (3) [remove] [ground] [noquality]'+ to sustain fire'
{*tub*} [ground] '+ to hold food near heat'
{Stone} [ground] '+ to raise tub from fire'
{Raw meat}   #1#    [remove] [ground] [roast] [patchwise] [name] '+ cooked in tub near fire'
{Turnip} #1# [remove] [roast] [patchwise] '+ cooked in tub near fire'
{Herbs}   #.5#   [remove] [roast] [optional] [patchwise]
{Seasoning}   #0.25#   [remove] [roast] [optional] [patchwise]
{Knife}   '+for preparing'
[COOK_WEIGHT_DIV:1.5]
[TILEGFX:org-meatcut]



[SUBMENU_END:Tub cooking]

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Mod Releases / Re: [3.80] Smoker. Hot smoking. Now version 1.2!

« on: December 08, 2023, 02:08:01 AM »

Feedback on using for larger animal

Like how this turned out.

It was a non-ideal situation and an elk giving 220lbs of meat I still managed to smoke half of it. Its seems this field smoker is perfect for small and medium animals. Large ones the game mechanics still guide to proper vanilla smoking.

How the test went:

= Field smoker was already made
= Elk caught in pit
= Harvested elk
= wanted to work on it at another camp
= moved meat to other camp
= important this camp didnt have a cellar
= setup smoker
= realized there was no firewood at this camp
= between fetching a fallen tree, blocking it prepping some if of firewood
= and rushing to build a cellar
= the time taken to actively field smoke 30 meat took 20 firewood
= managed 3-4 batches of smoked meats 90-120 smoked
= remaining 110 meat spoiled

Having the smoker but not having firewood or cellar at the start almost the worse case scenario. The only thing to have a crappier start would be no field smoker built.

I actually like that it still encourages using the vanilla smoking system for full harvest of large animals. An "escaped slave" could set this up to use on a lucky medium catch to preserve enough to make some distance.

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Modding / Re: Was pausable crafts added to the modding language?

« on: December 08, 2023, 12:55:54 AM »

Also noted the pausable tasks at least create a dropped by white-shadowed graphical item. This you have to come back too.

AFAIK you continue by telling the same command aimed at the white-shadowed object.

Query:
Was there a generic resume paused action like we have for the build menu?

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Suggestions / Re: Add cooking with wooden bowls

« on: December 07, 2023, 11:25:34 PM »

Basically a slow cooker on low heat so you don't burn the wood "pan".

This looks doable.

I'd use *tub instead of pot.
fire needed
branches for the elevation and extra heat
a brief active time
long wait for it time

meat mandatory
optional turnips (instead of potatoes)
optional herbs

One thing not doable is the mid cooking flip step. Cooking is a work at then wait system.

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 09:53:22 PM »

Day 4 of the 5th week to summer, Soil month

Snows are now waist deep. The deepest of the season. Cool are is warmer than the deep cold. Soon that warmth will start to melt the snow. It is the first signs of the earth that the month gets it name.

Restocking supplies Calle ponders the flax leaves. They are known for restoring nutrition when imbalanced. He has them in good quantity. Perhaps the Traveler’s Trio should be Nettle, Heather, Flax or maybe all four?  Nettle, Heather, Hemp, Flax. He adds thirty leaves to the warrior medicine pouch with a few on his traveling pouch. Maybe a saying to remember…

“Need fighter’s helpful herbs,” says Calle, “Nettle flax hemp heather.”

Still dim the morning be. So short the vision hunting wouldn’t be possible. Rather then travel to a hill now he brings a pair of arrows to life. Then Marikka is brought along. Another trip at hunting while hoping for catches at the trap fences. With the ring of shelters done there is greater confidence glowing from his heart to his smile. Marikka’s fluffy fur bounding along with him is a joy to see. He needs to learn to be aware of her senses as an extension of his own.

To the high hills and mountains they go. Each time popping up looking to sight large game.  Moving around the lands of the shelter ring.

<CALLE 150 hunting around shelter ring>>>

OOC:
Wanted to save here to put up a pic of the hunting ring as a how-to teaching. With extra shelters you are much safer from sudden storms and injuries. It also creates a feeling of being established in the area. Over time you might expand in other directions such as the shelters left by the long trips north.

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General Discussion / Re: You are from: Moron Heath

« on: December 07, 2023, 09:32:25 PM »

Yeah they can be pretty funny.

When writing the character blogs I sometimes come up with little backgrounds for the names.

In this case it wasn't that he traveled there... it's his home town.

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 11:11:47 AM »

There was still time left in the day with sun’s bottom only starting to touch the distant heights. Calle made to the workshop then he thinks it doesn’t have to lonely. He lets Marikka come out to run around while he works on bone tipped arrows. Once he made up three such arrows he used the horn to guide her back to the pen. He ruffled her fur with a good dose of petting before closing it up for the night.

Sweeping out active hunting again they spot a badger. As Calle fires Marikka’s leaping catches a scratch. Being leashed to Calle hadn’t helped that! It isn’t bad and Calle washes it with heather rubs on nettle. Marikka licks at the nettle so he puts a second batch on. Exploring around Calle lays in a new hunting shelter on the edge of “Old man’s mire” and a lake. Huddled together inside the spruce shelter on spruce bedding they pass the night together.

In a dream Swan Maiden with wings outstretched passes from one cloud to another.

Waking Calle finds Marikka already looking to him. A check of her wound finds it free of infection.

Traveling on they haven’t spotted more large game. Moving on the frozen lands south of Swan Cabin hasn’t been done this thoroughly before. He lays in a second travel shelter then a third, at the rapids of “Knocken stream”. A winter fishing spot which he tries and fails to catch at. Again man and dog huddle up in shelter on and under spruce.

Coming back to the homestead its been a few days since the pit traps were set. This is a good time to check and reset them. The chore done this time Calle leads Marikka into the Swan Cabin proper for the first time. She sniffs around all the places. The bed where Calle sleeps gets good attention. Glancing between bed and Calle she seems to have figured that’s where he sleeps. There is a lot of things she noses into: crafts, bone supplies, the pantry. It would get complicated keeping her indoors all the time with all the layers, stacks and piles. Tonight though it a treat of their couple of nights huddled together.

<CALLE 149 huddled nights with Marikka>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 07:00:50 AM »

Now for a name…

Marikka: in Finnish, this girl’s name means “a woman of turbulent personality.”

Calle chuckles at his choice. Maarikka is a big female dog, named for turbulent nature of the barterer Gatheriina. Riigu is going to have his hands full if he marries that one!

Orddot joined Calle, “Let me explain what commands she knows.”

The lesson was given. It was much the same as in his Reemi home in the south. Good to be reminded and updated to the local dialect, so to speak. Old Geablu had been sitting until the end of the lesson.

Geablu cane walked over, “Calle good man. While you are here could you lend Simma a hand?”

It was just labor needing to be done. The sun was still in the sky when it was complete.

“Just consider it for future trades,” said Calle, “Now I want to get Marikka off with me to show her she is live with me not this village.”

“She was trained well,” Simma said, “Remember to make a hunting horn to call her if she goes too far.”

“Ah! Yes!” replied Calle, “That would be needed in these spruce woods. I believe there are suitable antlers at Swan Cabin.”

By evening they were at Swan Cabin. Through the double gate Marrika was led. Foods were taken out of his bag. She could have the run of the pen while he saw to making the horn. From now on he had to double up on planning food.

Come morning Marikka was happily bouncing around her large yard. She took to the smoke meats left for her and the elk bones had been tossed about sometime in the night. Her trail showed she had made use of the C barn to sleep on top of the spruce bedding.

Back into the cabin Calle searched his stocks finding two sets of elk antlers. Their natural scooping shapes could be joined like how two cup shapes made a canteen. Choosing between them he settled on a set. The extra tines would need to come off. Since they didn’t grow as one whittling would be needed to make a tight fit. That fit would take glue. Searching the shelves he had a stores of fish-skin glue and pine pitch glue. He almost used the former then remembered that should be saved for bows and delicate works. Pine pitch glue, made of pine sap chunks melted to stir in ash, would be strong though not as pretty. With the over-place the glue was reheated turning form its hard standing state to a spreadable glue.

Once it cooled enough to use Calle went outside to the pen. He gave it a blast. It trumpeted loudly. Marikka pulled away from the side of the fence she was prowling on. She looked between Calle and beyond the fence. Calle blew it again. She came over then looked back that way. Paying attention to the senses of the companion is part of the teaching. Calle followed the gaze to see a grouse was stuck in a trap. Marikka was doing her job!

A perfect training time. Calle open both double gates. Marikka follows out. The attack command is given. Marikka savages the grouse!

Happy with the result and training her Calle puts the carcass down in the pen. There Marikka can eat the reward of her adventure.

First plan is to restore portions of the field traps. The fences and pit traps do make a trap fence. Calle had wanted to focus on smithing during the winter. That time has passed.

Its good fun taking Marikka to explore. These fields will be part of her life now. Each pit needs the snow dug out before being able to reset it. Half are missing their bait or didn’t have it when knocked out. Now the two sets are up. Were the lake water they would catch animals moving along the shore. Right now the thick lake ice could let them pass should they risk coming fully out of the trees, something the prey animals don’t like doing.

The next day yet another trapped grouse goes to the pen. Now they go south finding an ignored pit trap that Calle decides to disarm. He hadn’t thought about this all winter. It would have been an unnecessary lost animal had one gone in.

While there a hare is spotted. Time to try a dog hunt. Unleashing Marikka she is set after the hare. If they become separated the elk hunting horn can always recall her. The hare and Marikka move so fast Calle there are soon lost form sight. Following best he can Marikka wanders back to him. It doesn’t look like Marikka has blood on her jaws. The hare had gotten away. Still a good test of Marikka who did come back on her own.

Man and canine travel the woods looking for game. Checking on the various shelters and spots it becomes a perimeter patrol as well. They arc from south to west, through “Iron Corner” where ore was harvested then north coming to the spot of the “battle bear” and the ant hill of sacrifice. That fight was a tough one. The standing bear figurine Calle carved symolizes the power of that bear. For a time he wonders what happened with that most recent bear wounded and whether the ritual had calmed the anger. The battle bear’s skull looks on from its perch on the lonely pine tree.

Circling back they come back to the cabin. Marikka happily bounds into the pen. Calle puts out stored elk and bear bones to leave a lot more food for her. So far no large animals to hunt. He is still happy to have her company.

<CALLE 148 dog patrols>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 04:58:20 AM »

Day 3 of the 6th week before summer, Early Soil month

The layers of snow are still be added to. Though named Soil month it will be time yet before soil work can actually begin.

With a fresh look after his trip Calle does sorting and decoration. From the stack of trades furs in the snow room, the cabin atrium, the non-winter furs are pulled out. He should leave himself some for crafting and decorating.

For the smoke house backside a wolf fur is hung up. The idea being if the wolf spirit is there other predators will be scared off. All the predator traps are really defensive not for active captures.

A beaver fur goes by the pantry shelves. Known for keeping happy homes even with storms outside the beaver is welcome sight. Certainly less scary in a flash of lightning then the wolf by your bed!

Swan feathers are hung from roofs too. A symbol that the Swan Maiden is welcome here. A feather each is hung in the smokehouse, workshop and the sauna room. There are already several by the bed in the main room.

The snow room has the benches that once were the outside seats. Now inside Calle affirms them each having a reindeer fur as a padding. This room is for gentle sitting times for family yet to be.


Come the next morning the question of what to do now fills his find. There is almost no iron left at the workshop. Enough for a pair of small knives or more broad heads. The “smith of the north” trip has been done twice. Once with things of life and once with things of death. Seeing all the winter furs on the trips reminded him how expensive foreign trade is. Its time then to get more winter furs of his own.

Gatheriina of Hanging Wide had that hunting dog. Its an investment that will take food. Food he has plenty of and more if he catches fur bearing animals. Collecting furs and leathers suitable for crafting will be part of the payment. A day of crafting wood objects for them is a good idea. First he scoops out wood to bind in pairs to make two canteens. Useful for nomads like the Owl tribe. A pair of bowls for the traveler to eat from while drinking from the canteen. A bone comb may interest Gatheriina with her long locks of hair and a second perhaps to use separately on the reindeer.

His trip is quick, reaching by noon. What a haggler Gatheriina is! At one point asking for that new masterwork northern bow! She unpins her apron putting it down on the snow sitting next to it.

“You want only one thing, the leash of the hunting dog,” Gahteriina proclaims, “This then is a one blanket trade. Put your offers! I’m a fussy person. That bow would do well!”

“Not the bow,” answers Calle, “Here various craft goods.”

“Hardly enough!” she snaps back, “That lynx fur is rare. I can manage that to carry it until a foreign trader brings something worthy.”

Calle rubs his chin. He too wants to trade with the foreigners.

“There are these furs and leathers,” said Calle.

He started adding to the blanket the crafting furs and leathers, such as hare furs and bird skins for leather.

“Well at least something is useful.”

Calle’s head shrunk on his neck. She was truly a demanding force of nature. Back and forth they went. Finally the agreement was made. She took 3 arrows, the 2 canteens, 2 bowls, 2 combs, the bird leathers and hare furs. This let Calle old onto the lynx furs while still winning the leash.

Gatheriina bolted up snatching up her apron and all those goods inside. She bundled it tight right away hurrying off to a kota as if chased by wolves.

<CALLE 147 bought dog>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 01:32:04 AM »

At Swan Cabin early soil month Calle sets about making replacement iron elbow guards. The prosperity of the land flows in with the homestead guard traps catching a grouse then a hare. In a couple of days the replacement iron elbow cups, coudes, are fit tested then placed with the iron armor stores.

<CALLE  146 iron elbows back>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 07, 2023, 01:31:48 AM »

The pair, Calle and Vulle, stayed on another day.

Olle had a stack of stones he used to hold the charcoal of his forge. While that was made each time what he would move was the anvil stone. It was a beautiful spray of colors dotted like flowers. It had been used the Owl’s for generations.

In the traditions of journeymen Calle labored at the instruction of the local master Olle.
The exchange of knowledge mirroring how elders tell stories of the ancestors. This let Olle catch up on repairs of various things used by the tribe.

During a time when Olle was needed to assist with the reindeer Calle used the time to make a wooden shield for Vulle. Boards with a wooden connectors and wooden handle bar pegged together. While lacking a steel center boss it was still reliable for the skirmishes or wild beasts. If nothing else it might stop a raider’s arrows. During the stay another wooden shield was gifted to Riigu, all the better to survive his upcoming quests with.

After two extra days Vulle spoke, “I won’t be able to stay with you much longer. While you were hammering I’ve been helping with their reindeer. We are quite a ways north. Do you want stay or start southward together? You’ve shown enough skill out here that either is a fair choice.”

Calle pondered, “Olle and I are rare smiths in the north. It was good to spend some time on our craft. Thank you for your patience. Yes we can leave today and like the reindeer herds turn our own directions”

Vulle said, “Then lets make for one more village.”

South they went on a more westerly path then their norrthard journey. Vulle guided them to the Owl village of Hollermire. It was there that Vulle finally parted ways, heading easterly to get back to his own village. Calle made a point of greeting as many of this tribe as possible. An honor trade was made of bone tipped arrows for a leather rope.

Continuing south west he found the village of “Blue front”, again of the Owl reindeer herders. As he went about meeting them an honor trade was made of one of his broadhead arrows for a spool of nettle thread. A way to commit the hospitality between them.

He spent the night in woods making a new shelter, lining the bottom with spruce and being sure to put out some pointer markers of 3 and 3. Three singles then a bundle of three together acting as an arrow pointing to safety.

Next day he saw a stag elk in the distance. Being this far out he decided to let it go. Around noon he recognized the hills. At Pitchhead he found one of his travel camps on the edge of a lake. These were places of refuge should on a long journey like this things take a turn for the worse. He was today healthy and well. He smiled at seeing the result of “Preparation is all it takes to live.” Before leaving he hauled over a wind fall tree and chopped it into blocks for future emergency fires.

With the dark of evening growing the traveler shelter at Tarwide was found. Another of the places prepared for long journeys. Its guard traps are set up for the night, to be disarmed in the morning. More locator markers added to those already there and a wind fall brought closer. There is already stocks of firewood and blocks at the shelter.

Finally Calle returns to Swan Cabin.

Day of the 6th week before summer season, Beginning of Soil month.

Once inside he takes off his metal armor, the iron elbow guards having stayed in the north. His carried arrows rebalanced to a normal load and the medicine pouch is stored. Its contents confirmed as thirty nettles, heather and hemp plus two bandages. Moon Bow, the warbow from the foreigners, is unstrung to be stored by his bed. With him will remain the masterwork northern bow. He ponders what name it will gain.

<CALLE 145 back at swan cabin>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 06, 2023, 11:43:12 PM »

An extended haggling begins between Calle and the Riigu, a bold adventuring man of this Owl tribe of Bouldercliff. After the second verbal exchange one of elders puts down two blankets.

“This is the pride of our villages winter crafting,” said Riigu, “Everyone of us know this bow. Many of us have a part of lives tied to. Our elders saw a wind bent tree years ago waiting this year to harvest.  Smith Olle made a new axe just to cut it down. I’m the one who brought in the birch bark for the covering. Our best bowyer shaped these woods. My cousin’s hands were the one that stirred the boiling perch into the glue.

Calle sat down in front of the blanket nearest him, “There is great wisdom in that bow. A tribe working together as one people. Of the people knowing deeply of the woods and animals of this Unreal world. It is an honor to even see it. Here is the heart of my offer…”

Calle looked to his metal armors. He started to untie the fine iron knee cups. An angry twirl of wind curled the snow. Thinking back these were a thing he bought from foreign travelers. Securing them back on he untied his iron elbow guards.

“This iron is of our land,” began Calle, “Plucked from mother earth myself trudging around our land. Exploring her blessed shapes to find the spots she chose to form the ore. It was fused by charcoal from our trees. Hammered by iron also from this land. These leather ties are from the living beasts. It was a vision dream ago that called me to be a smith of the north. Here in these pieces is proof that has become so. Things of life were giving to other your Owl tribesfolk. This is armor.”

Olle came to sit beside Riigu. He picked up the iron elbow guards. Tapping it with a back of finger knuckle he listened to the tone. Each was held to the fire light burning in the big kotta teepee. As it turned the quality of light was studied.

“Decent work this,” said Olle, “Its ring is fair. There are better rings. It is sturdy enough. This could be good for you Riigu but its not the full worth of the village’s best bow.”

Vulle spoke, “Calle had made bows as well. A pair of hardwood longbows traded for an arctic fox fur full in its winter coat. It was caught by those of the Hanging Wide village. Gahteriinna the fierce beauty was vicious in her bartering over it. Show them Calle.”

Calle put down on the trade blanket that fur. Riigu eyes brightened at the mention of her name.

Smith Olle teased, “Riigu fancies Gahteriinna. Returning the trade fur to her is like taking on her debts, a thing a husband does.”

Riigu blushed and looked away. The other villagers giggled while an elder nodded approval.

“I agree to this,” Riigu shot out.

“As do I. I agree to this,” answered Calle, “Now your village’s work may help you get a bride!”

Cheers broke the crisp winter air. Riigu scooped up the fur holding it tight to his chest.

Olle added, “The armor too.”

Riigu took the iron elbow guards in one hand never letting go of the fur.

Calle took up his new bow, a masterwork northern bow brought to life by an Owl village.

Vulle patted him on the back, “Good thing you hired a guide.”

Together they laughed.

<CALLE 144 bought mw northern bow>>>

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Stories / Re: [Brygun] The Story of Calle (long story style)

« on: December 06, 2023, 08:31:56 PM »

On a mountain point, named Bouldercliff, on the west side of the north facing fjord Calle and Valle assembled an inukshuk. A stacking of rocks that those here could use as a reference. Later to draw the shape for traders to know to avoid the fjord’s waters. That night they made camp in valley rising to the south.

Day of the 7th week before summer, End of Pearl month

Vulle directs Calle to turn southeasterly. There they come into the Owl village of Palmwide. This village has a blacksmith, Olle. A brawny man.

Vulle said, “Olle is a smith of the north like yourself.”

Calle’s head jolted to look to Vulle then study Olle.

Vulle continued, “An apprentice in his youth from the Driik far to the south west. In his journey work time traders needed him to fix their armor. Hearing their stories and needing his skills they agreed for Olle to join them. On this journey he met his wife to be at a full moon celebration. He chose to stay.”

Olle looked over, “Strike iron true. No shoddy work to these good people. What iron they do use had better work or you’ll annoy me fixing it. Remember to give iron back to the land too. I don’t need you making the land spirits angry.”

Calle smiled, “Wise words good smith and a good reminder. There is plenty iron in the northern mountains but few skilled in working yet. Peace between us. It seemed the spirits wanted me here. That is in the north, not necessarily this village. I am traveling to see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears. If you would wish perhaps I can work for you a few days to learn as a journey and aid in what needs doing.”

Olle raised up to look over Calle, “Perhaps. Half my time goes to tending the herds. Everyone works.”

Calle bowed with open arms, “Consider it as I shall think on the wisdom your spoke.”

Vulle guided Calle over to other villagers. An honor trade for more thread for bone tipped arrows is made.

Vulle calls out, “Calle. Take a look at this.”

In the other trade tent the villager is showing a masterwork northern bow. A rare mighty thing. It two wood layers strain to complement each other like a good marriage. Known for hitting power at medium ranges in its lighter package Calle holds up his masterwork longbow, “Moon Bow” named, in comparison. It had come to Calle by foreign traders. A “war bow” they had called it and wanted the moon caught fur for it, hence the name Calle gave it. The longbows compare well with more accuracy at long range though bulkier to travel with.

It would certainly take a great deal to trade for it. He couldn’t fight with two bows. This northern one will truly speak of being in the north.

<CALLE 143 debating mw north bow>>>